<div dir="ltr">I found an old message by MRC where he says that he separated out DECnet mail server functionality from his TOPS-20 MMAILR because it didn't work right, and created a standalone MAISER to handle DECnet mail only, leaving MMAILR to handle Internet mail only. Anyone here know the details of this?<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Mark</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:07 PM, Mark Abene <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:phiber@phiber.com" target="_blank">phiber@phiber.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Johnny Billquist <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On 2017-04-14 08:37, Mark Abene wrote:<br>
</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>
It does indeed work to my VAX/VMS system, sending to<br></span>
"enkidu::phiber"@<a href="http://mim.update.uu.se" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">mim.update.uu<wbr>.se</a> <<a href="http://mim.update.uu.se" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://mim.update.uu.se</a>> from gmail.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Good.<span><br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Something odd with my TOPS-20 mail setup on GLGMSH, it assumes ALL mail<br>
is Internet mail, and doesn't seem to know what to do with a DECnet<br>
style mail address. That's a separate issue, not related to your mail<br>
gateway.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
Yeah. So you could not even send to just MIM::BQT from GLGMSH?</blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Nope. The mailer strips DECnet addresses to "HOST:" and fails trying to deliver this over the Internet.</div><div>E.g: if I try to send mail to MIM::BQT, it tries to deliver to "MIM:" and immediately fails. Haven't yet had time to track down what's going on.</div><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span><br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
By the way, if I try to run MAIL on MIM at the moment, it gives me an error:<br>
$ mail<br>
Sorry, no mail reader yet.<br>
<br>
It used to work just fine...<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
Yeah. It defaulted to send, since there is no mail reader. Which I decided was wrong. Try the command "SEND" instead, which does just the mail sending.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>How about reading mail sent to MIM? I'm pretty sure I've read test e-mails that I've sent to MIM, using MAIL on MIM.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-Mark</div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
(It can also take two arguments: 1) A short text, and 2) an address, at which point it will just immediately send that short text.)<br>
<br>
Johnny<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>
<br>
Regards<br>
-Mark<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 12:39 AM, Johnny Billquist <<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a><br></span><span>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
On 2017-04-13 06:55, Mark Abene wrote:<br>
<br>
Hmm.. I don't seem to have received that first test message.<br>
I just sent another to "glgmsh::phiber"@<a href="http://mim.update.uu.se" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">mim.update.uu<wbr>.se</a><br>
<<a href="http://mim.update.uu.se" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://mim.update.uu.se</a>><br>
<<a href="http://mim.update.uu.se" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://mim.update.uu.se</a>> (with quotes) in gmail, subject is<br>
"test #2".<br>
<br>
<br>
Well, I can see in the logs that the mail passed through MIM and was<br>
delivered to GLGMSH. What happens after that I have no idea...<br>
<br>
Johnny<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Johnny Billquist<br>
<<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br></span><span>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>>> wrote:<br>
<br></span><span>
On 2017-04-12 22:37, Mark Abene wrote:<br>
<br>
YOU worked at GOOGLE? Say it isn't so, Johnny!<br>
<br>
<br>
Stressing the past tense, yes. No more <a href="mailto:bqt@google.com" target="_blank">bqt@google.com</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@google.com" target="_blank">bqt@google.com</a>><br></span>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@google.com" target="_blank">bqt@google.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@google.com" target="_blank">bqt@google.com</a>>> for me. :-)<div><div class="m_-1837598612730131583h5"><br>
<br>
I responded elsewhere, I'm having the reverse problem<br>
trying to send<br>
mail to a HECnet address using gmail, and gmail is<br>
refusing the user<br>
part with the colons. Quoting it made it go through, but<br>
it never<br>
arrived at the destination...<br>
<br>
<br>
Not sure exactly what my problem was. But as it was stuck on<br>
Mim I<br>
realized that my error handling on the MAIL11 side was not<br>
good, so<br>
I redesigned and expanded on it, and somehow that solved the<br>
problem<br>
with your mail as well... (or so I think.)<br>
<br>
Johnny<br>
<br>
<br>
-Mark<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Johnny Billquist<br>
<<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
On 2017-04-10 21:45, Cory Smelosky wrote:<br>
<br>
Johnny Billquist wrote:<br>
<br>
On 2017-04-10 21:27, Cory Smelosky wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny Billquist<br>
<<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
However, like I said, Google is refusing<br>
mails with<br>
a source address<br>
that don't pass various rules they have,<br>
which is in<br>
violation of RFC<br>
5321. And the silly think is that<br>
the error<br>
Google<br>
gives refers to<br>
RFC 5321 as a reason why they are<br>
refusing.<br>
<br>
As the source address should be used<br>
when<br>
reporting<br>
any problems<br>
back, I cannot really fake it<br>
either, without<br>
potentially loosing<br>
more information. I'm going to try<br>
and ping<br>
people<br>
at Google, but I<br>
do not have very high hopes of this<br>
being<br>
resolved.<br>
So the answer<br>
might just be that Google is broken,<br>
and you<br>
should<br>
avoid it.<br>
<br>
<br>
I'll poke some google friends and see if<br>
anyone<br>
is in<br>
the mail team.<br>
<br>
<br>
Don't. I know people on that team, and have<br>
already<br>
pinged them.<br>
<br>
<br>
Alrighty!<br>
<br>
<br>
As I am no longer in that madhouse I guess I can<br>
admit now<br>
that I've<br>
worked for the last almost 8 years there... Not on<br>
Gmail though.<br>
<br>
<br>
Johnny<br>
<br>
--<br>
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
|| on a<br>
psychedelic trip<br>
email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>>> ||<br>
Reading murder books<br>
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay<br>
hip" -<br>
B. Idol<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
|| on a psychedelic trip<br>
email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>> ||<br>
Reading murder books<br>
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" -<br>
B. Idol<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
|| on a psychedelic trip<br>
email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>> ||<br>
Reading murder books<br>
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol<br>
<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote><div class="m_-1837598612730131583HOEnZb"><div class="m_-1837598612730131583h5">
<br>
-- <br>
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
|| on a psychedelic trip<br>
email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> || Reading murder books<br>
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div>