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    <p><font face="Arial">Very exciting. So Chris (cgk) and I are going
        to have fun trying a few things:</font></p>
    <p><font face="Arial">- Current plan (in progress): give SSL over
        VDE switch a shot - probably we will end up in a classic
        Ethernet loopback situation and move to plan B<br>
        - Plan B: bridge + tun/tap + dynamips<br>
        - Plan C: Radovan Brezula's GNS3 article
        (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://brezular.com/2015/09/29/gre-tunnel-between-cisco-and-linux/">http://brezular.com/2015/09/29/gre-tunnel-between-cisco-and-linux/</a>)<br>
        - Plan D: Scotch, double, on the rocks</font></p>
    <p><font face="Arial">I will disconnect my MULTINET uplink to HECnet
        while all this experimentation goes on (don't want to worry
        Johnny too much).</font></p>
    <p><font face="Arial">We will report progress here.</font></p>
    <p><font face="Arial">Thanks again all!<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/14/2018 18:21, Mark Abene wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">You probably just want linux's built-in bridge
        driver, which you manage with brctl.
        <div>"br0" is the main interface, which you're free to assign a
          DECnet compatible MAC address to. The other ports in the
          bridge/switch can be any of real ethernet or tap interfaces.</div>
        <div>Use a tap interface to run dynamips on. You can use dynagen
          to manage your router instance.</div>
        <div>I've literally been doing this for years. My HECnet router
          is a dynamips emulated Cisco 720whatever on a tap interface
          with a GRE tunnel over the Internet to Dave McGuire's area 61.
          I have my other emulated systems on tap interfaces, all
          connected to the same virtual bridge/switch on the same linux
          machine.</div>
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        <div>-Mark</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 3:12 PM,
          Supratim Sanyal <span dir="ltr"><<a
              href="mailto:supratim@riseup.net" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">supratim@riseup.net</a>></span>
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              <div dir="auto"><span class="">>On 3/14/2018 17:58,
                  Brian Hechinger wrote:<br>
                  >He doesn't say he wants to emulate a switch but
                  rather connect a GRE tunnel to one. He doesn't specify
                  what he wants on the virtual end but probably a router
                  will do.<br>
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                </span> Yes, sorry, I should have described what I am
                trying to achieve. Basically a few virtual nodes talking
                DECnet, AppleTalk and NetBIOS/NetBEUI protocols (no IP),
                plugged into some virtual switch or router that can
                setup a GRE tunnel to a real CISCO switch on the other
                end, which also has DECnet and AppleTalk nodes on it.<br>
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                I came across this just now based on the pointers
                received so far and will research this: <a
                  class="m_3764196821807744118moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://brezular.com/2015/09/29/gre-tunnel-between-cisco-and-linux/"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://brezular.com/2015/09/<wbr>29/gre-tunnel-between-cisco-<wbr>and-linux/</a><br>
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                Thanks for the information; keep it coming!<span
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                    <br>
                    Supratim<br>
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                  <div class="m_3764196821807744118moz-cite-prefix">On
                    3/14/2018 17:58, Brian Hechinger wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="auto">He doesn't say he wants to emulate a
                      switch but rather connect a GRE tunnel to one. He
                      doesn't specify what he wants on the virtual end
                      but probably a router will do.</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 14, 2018 17:11,
                        "Dave McGuire" <<a
                          href="mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mcguire@neurotica.com</a>>
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                            Ooops, I'm sorry, I missed the word "switch"
                          in the OP's message.<br>
                          Thank you for the clarification.<br>
                          <br>
                                     -Dave<br>
                          <br>
                          On 03/14/2018 05:04 PM, Madeline Autumn-Rose
                          wrote:<br>
                          > Dynamips doesn’t emulate Cisco switches;
                          be aware.<br>
                          ><br>
                          > Routers with switch modules and a basic
                          switch implementation exists,<br>
                          > however.<br>
                          ><br>
                          > You could in theory also tie to VDR<br>
                          ><br>
                          > Sent from my iPhone<br>
                          ><br>
                          > On Mar 14, 2018, at 13:25, Brian
                          Hechinger <<a
                            href="mailto:wonko@4amlunch.net"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wonko@4amlunch.net</a><br>
                          > <mailto:<a
                            href="mailto:wonko@4amlunch.net"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wonko@4amlunch.net</a>>>
                          wrote:<br>
                          ><br>
                          >> I like to use GNS3 to get everything
                          setup and then switch to dynamips<br>
                          >> after I know what I'm doing.<br>
                          >><br>
                          >> Been to Long since I ran either
                          though. Need to get a house and get<br>
                          >> moved so I can get the wicked cool
                          networking back up.<br>
                          >><br>
                          >> On Mar 14, 2018 16:10, "Dave McGuire"
                          <<a href="mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mcguire@neurotica.com</a><br>
                          >> <mailto:<a
                            href="mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mcguire@neurotica.com</a>><wbr>>
                          wrote:<br>
                          >><br>
                          >>     On 03/14/2018 03:05 PM, Supratim
                          Sanyal wrote:<br>
                          >>     > Any recommendations on a
                          CISCO switch simulator that runs on Linux<br>
                          >>     > (Ubuntu 17.10) and supports
                          GRE tunneling to a real CISCO switch<br>
                          >>     over<br>
                          >>     > the internet?<br>
                          >><br>
                          >>       Dynamips should do it.<br>
                          >><br>
                          >>               -Dave<br>
                          >><br>
                          >>     --<br>
                          >>     Dave McGuire, AK4HZ<br>
                          >>     New Kensington, PA<br>
                          >><br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          --<br>
                          Dave McGuire, AK4HZ<br>
                          New Kensington, PA<br>
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