<div dir="ltr">The format that I found in the Multinet Docs suggested this (for my setup): larry::SMTP%"<a href="mailto:kurt@hamm.me">kurt@hamm.me</a>"<div><br></div><div>This routes the email through Larry which is configured for SMTP mail. Larry takes the mail and sends it out. When I get the email on the outside, the from address is: <a href="mailto:kurt@moe.frugalcomputing.com">kurt@moe.frugalcomputing.com</a>. my user on Moe is kurt, the domain name I am using for this is <a href="http://frugalcomputing.com">frugalcomputing.com</a>. </div><div><br></div><div>When I reply to this email from the outside, Multinet on Larry translates the email address to send to kurt on decnet node Moe.</div><div><br></div><div>Works like a champ. The only sticking point is that you basically have to have an open internet mail relay for the VAX to talk to. I reduced some of that risk by only allowing a small subnet on the internet to talk to that open relay.</div><div><br></div><div>Kurt</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 4:11 PM Johnny Billquist <<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se">bqt@softjar.se</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Let me rephrase my question.<br>
<br>
When you send to a gmail address, what does the "from" address look <br>
like, if you sent it from a machine that had to pass through another <br>
DECnet mail relay before being delivered to gmail.<br>
<br>
Last I tried, gmail do not accept a mail where the from-address looks <br>
like node::name@foo.bar, not even if the node::name is within quotes.<br>
<br>
Anyway, for the second part of your explanation - that sounds like it <br>
would then not accept to arbitrary nodes on hecnet, but only your <br>
specific machine?<br>
<br>
MIM works as a general SMTP-MAIL11 gateway. Anyone on the outside can <br>
send mail to <a href="mailto:node%3A%3Aname@mim.update.uu.se" target="_blank">node::name@mim.update.uu.se</a>, and the mail will be <br>
forwarded. And anyone on HECnet can send mail to mim::user@domain, and <br>
it will get forwarded. Works for anyone on HECnet. However, as I said, <br>
it does not work towards gmail, because of what gmail does.<br>
<br>
Johnny<br>
<br>
On 2019-06-06 21:20, Kurt Hamm wrote:<br>
> I misspoke when I said gmail. It ultimately gets to a gmail account, <br>
> but not directly.<br>
> <br>
> I configured my postfix mail on my external server to trust the VAX IP <br>
> Address, so it doesn't ask for authentication.<br>
> Then configured Multinet as described here:<br>
> <br>
> $MULTINET CONFIGURE/MAIL<br>
> MAIL-CONFIG>SET FORWARDER name-of-forwarder<br>
> MAIL-CONFIG>SET FORWARD-REMOTE-MAIL TRUE<br>
> MAIL-CONFIG>EXIT<br>
> $@MULTINET:START_SMTP<br>
> <br>
> name-of-forwarder=external mail server IP address.<br>
> That takes care of outbound mail.<br>
> <br>
> For inbound mail, I created a mail routing rule to route all email from <br>
> a specific domain to the VAX SMTP port. The VAX looks for a valid user <br>
> and delivers the mail. It discards anything else.<br>
> <br>
> Kurt<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 3:14 PM Johnny Billquist <<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hum. You get it working with gmail??? That is surprising. I noticed<br>
> several years ago that gmail do not accept mails with a from address in<br>
> the form "foo::bar"@<a href="http://mim.update.uu.se" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">mim.update.uu.se</a> <<a href="http://mim.update.uu.se" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://mim.update.uu.se</a>>, even<br>
> though it actually should<br>
> accept it.<br>
> <br>
> How does multinet rewrite the from address then?<br>
> <br>
> Johnny<br>
> <br>
> On 2019-06-06 21:04, Kurt Hamm wrote:<br>
> > I got it working. I setup Multinet to route all outbound<br>
> external mail<br>
> > to one of my external mail domains. Then I setup mail routing<br>
> for any<br>
> > email to that domain to be forwarded to the Vax for delivery.<br>
> ><br>
> > It works great. I can email from the VAX to a GMAIL account and<br>
> then<br>
> > reply back.<br>
> ><br>
> > Kurt<br>
> ><br>
> > On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:53 PM Johnny Billquist <<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > On 2019-06-06 15:04, Kurt Hamm wrote:<br>
> > > I wasn't sure where to post this question, so I thought I<br>
> would<br>
> > start here.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I have two simh vax3900 machines. Larry and Moe. Larry<br>
> is the<br>
> > HECNet<br>
> > > router for Moe.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > When I send email from Larry (via SMTP), the _return _email<br>
> > address is<br>
> > > correct (<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>>>>.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > When I send email from Moe (to<br>
> LARRY::SMTP%"<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a>>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a>>>>"), the return<br>
> > email address is:<br>
> > > <a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>>>>.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Why is Moe using the SCSSYSTEMID instead of the system name?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > *I am missing something.*<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm not sure how you should do a setup of mail relaying in VMS.<br>
> ><br>
> > However, you can always send from Moe to <a href="mailto:MIM%3A%3Auser@domain.com" target="_blank">MIM::user@domain.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:MIM%253A%253Auser@domain.com" target="_blank">MIM%3A%3Auser@domain.com</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:MIM%253A%253Auser@domain.com" target="_blank">MIM%3A%3Auser@domain.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:MIM%25253A%25253Auser@domain.com" target="_blank">MIM%253A%253Auser@domain.com</a>>>. Those<br>
> > mails should then get correct addresses.<br>
> ><br>
> > Johnny<br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
> > || on a psychedelic trip<br>
> > email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>> ||<br>
> > Reading murder books<br>
> > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" -<br>
> B. Idol<br>
> ><br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
> || on a psychedelic trip<br>
> email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>> || <br>
> Reading murder books<br>
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol<br>
> <br>
<br>
-- <br>
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
|| on a psychedelic trip<br>
email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> || Reading murder books<br>
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol<br>
</blockquote></div>