<div dir="ltr">So, the missing piece is probably my understanding of how multinet mail works. This is all multinet magic. <br><div><br></div><div>For inbound mail, yes, I have to have an MX record for <a href="http://Larry.frugalcomputing.com">Larry.frugalcomputing.com</a> and <a href="http://Moe.frugalcomputing.com">Moe.frugalcomputing.com</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>Multinet on Larry is aware of MOE and is routing the email back to my user on Moe.</div><div><br></div><div>Kurt</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 4:31 PM Johnny Billquist <<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">But does <a href="http://moe.frugalcomputing.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">moe.frugalcomputing.com</a> exist? Larry is the machine that is <br>
expected to handle mail, so how would this even end up on Lerry? Do you <br>
have larry setup as the MX for moe then? And obviously any other machine <br>
on hecnet would not be possible to reach, as you cannot have every <br>
hecnet node visible as their own host under <a href="http://frugalcomputing.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">frugalcomputing.com</a>. Also, <br>
how does larry know that mails from moe on DECnet should be rewritten as <br>
<a href="mailto:user@moe.frugalcomputing.com" target="_blank">user@moe.frugalcomputing.com</a>? There is no obvious relationship between <br>
MOE:: and <a href="http://moe.frugalcomputing.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">moe.frugalcomputing.com</a>. And even if there were, the next step <br>
of rewriting a mail from MOE::KURT to <a href="mailto:kurt@moe.frugalcomputing.com" target="_blank">kurt@moe.frugalcomputing.com</a> is <br>
potentially wrong as well. How would larry know that <br>
<a href="http://moe.frugalcomputing.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">moe.frugalcomputing.com</a> exists, and is a valid name for talking smtp to? <br>
And that it would end up on larry? Again, assuming you then have an MX <br>
record for <a href="http://moe.frugalcomputing.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">moe.frugalcomputing.com</a> that points to larry.<br>
<br>
There seems to be a bunch of information missing, or a whole bunch of <br>
hardcoded assumptions in there somewhere...<br>
<br>
Johnny<br>
<br>
On 2019-06-06 22:19, Kurt Hamm wrote:<br>
> The format that I found in the Multinet Docs suggested this (for my <br>
> setup): larry::SMTP%"<a href="mailto:kurt@hamm.me" target="_blank">kurt@hamm.me</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kurt@hamm.me" target="_blank">kurt@hamm.me</a>>"<br>
> <br>
> This routes the email through Larry which is configured for SMTP mail. <br>
> Larry takes the mail and sends it out. When I get the email on the <br>
> outside, the from address is: <a href="mailto:kurt@moe.frugalcomputing.com" target="_blank">kurt@moe.frugalcomputing.com</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kurt@moe.frugalcomputing.com" target="_blank">kurt@moe.frugalcomputing.com</a>>. my user on Moe is kurt, the <br>
> domain name I am using for this is <a href="http://frugalcomputing.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">frugalcomputing.com</a> <br>
> <<a href="http://frugalcomputing.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://frugalcomputing.com</a>>.<br>
> <br>
> When I reply to this email from the outside, Multinet on Larry <br>
> translates the email address to send to kurt on decnet node Moe.<br>
> <br>
> Works like a champ. The only sticking point is that you basically have <br>
> to have an open internet mail relay for the VAX to talk to. I reduced <br>
> some of that risk by only allowing a small subnet on the internet to <br>
> talk to that open relay.<br>
> <br>
> Kurt<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 4:11 PM Johnny Billquist <<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Let me rephrase my question.<br>
> <br>
> When you send to a gmail address, what does the "from" address look<br>
> like, if you sent it from a machine that had to pass through another<br>
> DECnet mail relay before being delivered to gmail.<br>
> <br>
> Last I tried, gmail do not accept a mail where the from-address looks<br>
> like node::name@foo.bar, not even if the node::name is within quotes.<br>
> <br>
> Anyway, for the second part of your explanation - that sounds like it<br>
> would then not accept to arbitrary nodes on hecnet, but only your<br>
> specific machine?<br>
> <br>
> MIM works as a general SMTP-MAIL11 gateway. Anyone on the outside can<br>
> send mail to <a href="mailto:node%3A%3Aname@mim.update.uu.se" target="_blank">node::name@mim.update.uu.se</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:node%253A%253Aname@mim.update.uu.se" target="_blank">node%3A%3Aname@mim.update.uu.se</a>>, and the mail will be<br>
> forwarded. And anyone on HECnet can send mail to mim::user@domain, and<br>
> it will get forwarded. Works for anyone on HECnet. However, as I said,<br>
> it does not work towards gmail, because of what gmail does.<br>
> <br>
> Johnny<br>
> <br>
> On 2019-06-06 21:20, Kurt Hamm wrote:<br>
> > I misspoke when I said gmail. It ultimately gets to a gmail<br>
> account,<br>
> > but not directly.<br>
> ><br>
> > I configured my postfix mail on my external server to trust the<br>
> VAX IP<br>
> > Address, so it doesn't ask for authentication.<br>
> > Then configured Multinet as described here:<br>
> ><br>
> > $MULTINET CONFIGURE/MAIL<br>
> > MAIL-CONFIG>SET FORWARDER name-of-forwarder<br>
> > MAIL-CONFIG>SET FORWARD-REMOTE-MAIL TRUE<br>
> > MAIL-CONFIG>EXIT<br>
> > $@MULTINET:START_SMTP<br>
> ><br>
> > name-of-forwarder=external mail server IP address.<br>
> > That takes care of outbound mail.<br>
> ><br>
> > For inbound mail, I created a mail routing rule to route all<br>
> email from<br>
> > a specific domain to the VAX SMTP port. The VAX looks for a<br>
> valid user<br>
> > and delivers the mail. It discards anything else.<br>
> ><br>
> > Kurt<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 3:14 PM Johnny Billquist <<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hum. You get it working with gmail??? That is surprising. I<br>
> noticed<br>
> > several years ago that gmail do not accept mails with a from<br>
> address in<br>
> > the form "foo::bar"@<a href="http://mim.update.uu.se" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">mim.update.uu.se</a><br>
> <<a href="http://mim.update.uu.se" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://mim.update.uu.se</a>> <<a href="http://mim.update.uu.se" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://mim.update.uu.se</a>>, even<br>
> > though it actually should<br>
> > accept it.<br>
> ><br>
> > How does multinet rewrite the from address then?<br>
> ><br>
> > Johnny<br>
> ><br>
> > On 2019-06-06 21:04, Kurt Hamm wrote:<br>
> > > I got it working. I setup Multinet to route all outbound<br>
> > external mail<br>
> > > to one of my external mail domains. Then I setup mail routing<br>
> > for any<br>
> > > email to that domain to be forwarded to the Vax for delivery.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > It works great. I can email from the VAX to a GMAIL<br>
> account and<br>
> > then<br>
> > > reply back.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Kurt<br>
> > ><br>
> > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:53 PM Johnny Billquist<br>
> <<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > On 2019-06-06 15:04, Kurt Hamm wrote:<br>
> > > > I wasn't sure where to post this question, so I<br>
> thought I<br>
> > would<br>
> > > start here.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > I have two simh vax3900 machines. Larry and Moe. <br>
> Larry<br>
> > is the<br>
> > > HECNet<br>
> > > > router for Moe.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > When I send email from Larry (via SMTP), the<br>
> _return _email<br>
> > > address is<br>
> > > > correct (<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>>>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>>>>>.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > When I send email from Moe (to<br>
> > LARRY::SMTP%"<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a>>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a>>>><br>
> > > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a>>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:user@domain.com" target="_blank">user@domain.com</a>>>>>"), the return<br>
> > > email address is:<br>
> > > > <a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>>>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM" target="_blank">SYSTEM@SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM</a>>>>>.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Why is Moe using the SCSSYSTEMID instead of the<br>
> system name?<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > *I am missing something.*<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I'm not sure how you should do a setup of mail<br>
> relaying in VMS.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > However, you can always send from Moe to<br>
> <a href="mailto:MIM%3A%3Auser@domain.com" target="_blank">MIM::user@domain.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:MIM%253A%253Auser@domain.com" target="_blank">MIM%3A%3Auser@domain.com</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:MIM%253A%253Auser@domain.com" target="_blank">MIM%3A%3Auser@domain.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:MIM%25253A%25253Auser@domain.com" target="_blank">MIM%253A%253Auser@domain.com</a>>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:MIM%253A%253Auser@domain.com" target="_blank">MIM%3A%3Auser@domain.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:MIM%25253A%25253Auser@domain.com" target="_blank">MIM%253A%253Auser@domain.com</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:MIM%25253A%25253Auser@domain.com" target="_blank">MIM%253A%253Auser@domain.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:MIM%2525253A%2525253Auser@domain.com" target="_blank">MIM%25253A%25253Auser@domain.com</a>>>>. Those<br>
> > > mails should then get correct addresses.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Johnny<br>
> > ><br>
> > > --<br>
> > > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
> > > || on a<br>
> psychedelic trip<br>
> > > email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>>> ||<br>
> > > Reading murder books<br>
> > > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay<br>
> hip" -<br>
> > B. Idol<br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
> > || on a psychedelic trip<br>
> > email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>> ||<br>
> > Reading murder books<br>
> > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" -<br>
> B. Idol<br>
> ><br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
> || on a psychedelic trip<br>
> email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>> || <br>
> Reading murder books<br>
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol<br>
> <br>
<br>
-- <br>
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
|| on a psychedelic trip<br>
email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> || Reading murder books<br>
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol<br>
</blockquote></div>