<div dir="ltr">Well, I think it is done. I can set host to the pdp-11 from my local vax3900. The pdp-11 doesn't seem to know the other nodes. I also can't get a shared directory (dir aldur::).<div><br></div><div>I will keep reading.</div><div><br></div><div>Kurt</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 12:35 PM Johnny Billquist <<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se">bqt@softjar.se</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Mark...<br>
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On 2019-06-08 18:25, Mark Matlock wrote:<br>
> Kurt,<br>
> You are getting close. You have a -26. (File not found) Error on the file LB:{5,54]IP.STB<br>
<br>
Indeed.<br>
<br>
> The IPGEN process should copy three files IP.STB IP.TSK and IP.TSK into LB:[5,54] but<br>
> Since they are not there, you can copy them from [IPNET] to [5,54]<br>
<br>
They are only copied if you answer YES to the related question when <br>
running IPGEN.<br>
<br>
There are actually a couple of more files installed. I can't remember <br>
now if any might be optional, but anyway:<br>
<br>
PIP [5,54]/NV=[IPNET]*.DAT,IP.TSK,IP.STB<br>
PIP [5,24]/NV=[IPNET]IP.OBJ<br>
LBR [130,10]NETLIB.MLB/RP=[IPNET]IPDF.MAC<br>
<br>
You should then run the NETGEN procedure after these files have been <br>
copied, and then NETGEN should run fine, and then you run <br>
[IPNET]IPNEY.CMD after NETGEN have completed. Then you can try starting <br>
DECnet, and once DECnet is started, you can try bringing up the DECnet <br>
over IP lines.<br>
<br>
Johnny<br>
<br>
> <br>
> Best,<br>
> Mark<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:04 AM, Kurt Hamm <<a href="mailto:kurt@hamm.me" target="_blank">kurt@hamm.me</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Well, this was really good information. Mark, the walk-through was extremely helpful. I feel like I am almost there.<br>
>><br>
>> There is something I am missing related to the final step. I added this line to the end of startup.cmd: @LB:[IPNET]INS.CMD. Not sure if that is the correct way to call that CMD file.<br>
>><br>
>> I am not exactly sure about the content changes especially the ports:<br>
>> MNC SET CIR IP-0-0 TCA HOST <a href="http://192.168.1.49:7705" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">192.168.1.49:7705</a> PORT 0<br>
>> NCP SET CIR IP-0-0 STA ON<br>
>><br>
>> When I run [ipnet]ins.cmd:<br>
>>> @LB:[IPNET]INS.CMD<br>
>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCOM/UIC=[1,54]/PRO=[RW,RW,,]<br>
>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTNET<br>
>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCFG<br>
>>> NCP SET PROC IP TOP<br>
>> NTL -- IP Symbol Table File -- Open Failure (-26.)<br>
>> NTL -- LB:[5,54]IP.STB<br>
>> NCP -- Set failed, operation failure<br>
>> Network Loader function failed<br>
>>> NCP SET LIN IP-0-* ALL<br>
>> NTL -- IP Symbol Table File -- Open Failure (-26.)<br>
>> NTL -- LB:[5,54]IP.STB<br>
>> NCP -- Line IP-0-0, Set failed, operation failure<br>
>> Network Loader function failed<br>
>> NTL -- IP Symbol Table File -- Open Failure (-26.)<br>
>> NTL -- LB:[5,54]IP.STB<br>
>> NCP -- Line IP-0-1, Set failed, operation failure<br>
>> Network Loader function failed<br>
>>> MNC SHO VER<br>
>> Initialize common<br>
>> NT.IP not loaded. Please load before running this tool.<br>
>>> MNC SET CIR IP-0-0 TCA HOST <a href="http://192.168.1.49:7705" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">192.168.1.49:7705</a> PORT 0<br>
>> Initialize common<br>
>> NT.IP not loaded. Please load before running this tool.<br>
>>> NCP SET CIR IP-0-0 STA ON<br>
>> NCP -- Set failed, component in wrong state, Line<br>
>>> @ <EOF><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 8:34 AM Johnny Billquist <<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>> wrote:<br>
>> In addition to the information and transcript Mark provided, do not<br>
>> forget to run the post-processing script from IPNET after completing the<br>
>> NETGEN procedure. It will modify the DECnet configuration somewhat to<br>
>> more correctly handle the IP lines.<br>
>><br>
>> And no, Kurt is not connecting directly to Mim, but possibly just<br>
>> between his own machines, and otherwise being hooked up to area 31.<br>
>><br>
>> Johnny<br>
>><br>
>> On 2019-06-08 14:13, Mark Matlock wrote:<br>
>>> Kurt,<br>
>>> As Johnny says you should read chapter 10 of [IP]README.DOC and run a NETGEN to add the IP HECnet device. I’ve attached a walk-through of a NETGEN that can help guide you but you should understand the information in chapter 10.<br>
>>><br>
>>> You should have a unique DECnet node address for your system (from Johnny) to use instead of the one I supplied in the walk-through.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Later when bringing up IP-0-0 in the [IPNET]INS.CMD I think you need a port # for attachment to MIM if that is where you are connecting to?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best,<br>
>>> Mark<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 6:36 AM, Kurt Hamm <<a href="mailto:kurt@hamm.me" target="_blank">kurt@hamm.me</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Thanks Johnny and thanks Mark. For some reason I thought that this was already done since IP was working.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This is just what I needed to know to finish this thing off. I really appreciate the assistance.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Kurt<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 5:32 AM Johnny Billquist <<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> Kurt, Mark is absolutely right.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> You do not have the IP line driver generated into DECnet.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This is what I suspect quite a few mails back between us, and tried to<br>
>>>> point out.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> And do not try to just edit CEMAC.MAC to add those lines Mark mention.<br>
>>>> That will not work. You need to run through the DECnet generation<br>
>>>> process, and then the IPNET postprocessing step. It's all in the TCP/IP<br>
>>>> manual, if you read it.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Johnny<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 2019-06-08 05:58, Mark Matlock wrote:<br>
>>>>> Kurt,<br>
>>>>> I think you need to have the “IP" network device NETGENed into DECnet.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The fact that you first error occurs at the NCP SET PROC IP TOP makes me think that DECnet does not have a driver for the IP device loaded. When I made the “Frodo” distribution available, I did a new SYSGEN for an 11/70 and also a NETGEN. In the NETGEN for the Unibus system a “UNA” was the ethernet device and on a Qbus system (the actual Frodo 30.1) a QNA device is used.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> It would be helpful if you typed out LB:[5,54]CETAB.MAC as it could confirm if the IP device has been NETGENed in or not. In CETAB.MAC the 3rd actual line of code should look like:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> PDV$DF <AUX,EVL,ECL,XPT,NCT,RTH,LAT,DLX>,<EPM>,<UNA,IP><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Three lines below that should be:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> SLT$DF IP,IP,XPT,LF.TIM,0,0,,0.,0.,15.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> It’s been a while since I added the IP-0-0 LIN and Circuits to my system, but I try to do that to one of my PiDP-11s and post the walk through for it.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Below I’ve put some information of the sequence of startup command files that may help you understand the files involved.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> In the LB:[1,2]STARTUP.CMD of the Frodo distribution RSX and DECnet are started as is normal for any RSX. It then chains to LB:[1,2]INSPROG.CMD which brings up the DU1: disk that you either download from <a href="http://RSX11M.COM" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">RSX11M.COM</a> or the Simh boot.ini will make a blank one.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> At the end of the INSPROG.CMD two questions are asked with timeouts. The first will load LAT and the second loads Johnny’s TCP/IP. It loads the TCP/IP by chaining to LB:[IP]IPINS.CMD which will load TCP/IP and either DHCP an IP address or set a static IP address. At the end of that file then LB:[IP]IPAPPL.CMD is executed which sets up FTP, TELNET, NTP and other applications.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Now, in the Frodo distribution IPAPPL.CMD, there is a line that was either commented or deleted that chains to LB:[IPNET]INSHECNET.CMD which is used to link the actual node Frodo (HECnet 30.1) to MIM<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Your [IPNET]INS.CMD looks identical to the INSHECNET.CMD on Frodo including the host port # which may be something we need to change?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Do you have a HECnet address from Johnny? Also, where are you planning to connect to HECnet?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> There is a [IPNET]INS.NEW which is the template that Johnny provides and it does not have a port specified on MIM. I don’t remember the exact mechanics on MIM That accepts connections but that may be a function of that port # Frodo connects to MIM on IP-0-10 but that is not specified on Frodo but on MIM.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Best,<br>
>>>>> Mark<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 9:35 PM, Kurt Hamm <<a href="mailto:kurt@hamm.me" target="_blank">kurt@hamm.me</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> So, I added this command to the startup.cmd: @LB:[IPNET]INS.CMD.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I didn't modify the file yet. I wanted to see what it would do<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> The result after rebooting was this:<br>
>>>>>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCOM/UIC=[1,54]/PRO=[RW,RW,,]<br>
>>>>>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTNET<br>
>>>>>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCFG<br>
>>>>>>> NCP SET PROC IP TOP<br>
>>>>>> NCP -- Set failed, unrecognized component, Process<br>
>>>>>>> NCP SET LIN IP-0-* ALL<br>
>>>>>> NCP -- Set failed, invalid identification format, Line<br>
>>>>>>> MNC SHO VER<br>
>>>>>> Initialize common<br>
>>>>>> NT.IP not found. Exiting...<br>
>>>>>>> MNC SET CIR IP-0-0 TCA HOST <a href="http://MIM.UPDATE.UU.SE:7705" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">MIM.UPDATE.UU.SE:7705</a> PORT 0<br>
>>>>>> Initialize common<br>
>>>>>> NT.IP not found. Exiting...<br>
>>>>>>> NCP SET CIR IP-0-0 STA ON<br>
>>>>>> NCP -- Set failed, invalid identification format, Circuit<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> There are lots of errors, so I am not sure where to start.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Any advice would be appreciated.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Kurt<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -- <br>
>>>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
>>>> || on a psychedelic trip<br>
>>>> email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> || Reading murder books<br>
>>>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol<br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -- <br>
>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
>> || on a psychedelic trip<br>
>> email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> || Reading murder books<br>
>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol<br>
> <br>
<br>
-- <br>
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
|| on a psychedelic trip<br>
email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> || Reading murder books<br>
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol<br>
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