<div dir="ltr">Yes, IP on both PDP-11 and Moe show IP-starting. I am looking at the MAC addresses<div><div><br></div><div>NCP>SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS<br><br>Known circuits summary as of 8-JUN-2019 21:34:59<br><br>Circuit = UNA-0<br><br> State = Off<br><br>Circuit = IP-0-0<br><br> State = On-starting<br><br>Circuit = IP-0-1<br><br> State = Off<br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 9:12 PM Johnny Billquist <<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se">bqt@softjar.se</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Since DECnet decides what MAC address you are supposed to have, they <br>
*have* to have the same MAC address in simh, which is why I was pointing <br>
out that if you actually had them on the same ethernet segment, you are <br>
messed up. :-)<br>
<br>
They have to have the same address because it is derived from the DECnet <br>
address, and your machine only ever have one DECnet address. DECnet do <br>
not have an address per interface, like IP do.<br>
<br>
Johnny<br>
<br>
On 2019-06-09 03:08, Kurt Hamm wrote:<br>
> OK. I did have two ethernet adapters configured for each server. I <br>
> disabled the second one. But, worse, in the simh ini file, both servers <br>
> had the same MAC addresses associated with their ethernet adapters. I <br>
> am not sure how this ever worked.<br>
> <br>
> I am still checking things and will start working on that PDP-11 <br>
> default thing shortly.<br>
> <br>
> Kurt<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 8:47 PM Johnny Billquist <<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Oh, and by the way... Do you have two physical, separate ethernets?<br>
> Because otherwise you might be in even more trouble, as you have two<br>
> ethernet interfaces defined on MOE, and they both see LARRY. If you<br>
> actually have two ethernet networks between the two machines, then<br>
> everything is fine. Otherwise you are actually very messed up.<br>
> <br>
> Johnny<br>
> <br>
> On 2019-06-09 02:45, Johnny Billquist wrote:<br>
> > Maybe not much comfort, but MOE isn't using the multinet link to<br>
> LARRY<br>
> > either, but is also talking over ethernet.<br>
> ><br>
> > Johnny<br>
> ><br>
> > On 2019-06-09 02:36, Kurt Hamm wrote:<br>
> >> Ugh. Back to work.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I did see some errors....<br>
> >><br>
> >> Kurt<br>
> >><br>
> >> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 8:35 PM Johnny Billquist <<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
> >> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> Well, just taking a peek at CURLY, I can also tell that you<br>
> have not<br>
> >> managed to get the multinet links up and running, but are<br>
> >> communicating<br>
> >> with DECnet over ethernet. :-)<br>
> >><br>
> >> Johnny<br>
> >><br>
> >> On 2019-06-09 02:20, Kurt Hamm wrote:<br>
> >> > That's it! Everything works great. I have the node list<br>
> and can<br>
> >> access<br>
> >> > reachable nodes from the PDP-11.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > This is just really wonderful.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > As a thank you, I will leave the mailing list alone for a<br>
> >> while. ha!<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Kurt<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 6:42 PM Johnny Billquist<br>
> <<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
> >> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>><br>
> >> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Ok, a quick rundown on some of the more esoteric details<br>
> >> about lines<br>
> >> > and<br>
> >> > circuits might be useful here.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > First of all, Kurt, you might want to redo the NETGEN<br>
> and not<br>
> >> set the<br>
> >> > system up for DECnet routing. It takes a lot of<br>
> resources,<br>
> >> and if you<br>
> >> > don't really want it, you are much better off with a<br>
> system<br>
> >> not even<br>
> >> > generated for it.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > The question about remote nodes are just for an initial<br>
> >> population of<br>
> >> > your local nodename database. All you need there is<br>
> really to<br>
> >> define<br>
> >> > MIM<br>
> >> > (1.13). You can then copy the whole nodename database<br>
> from<br>
> >> MIM over to<br>
> >> > your machine that way instead. Let me know if you<br>
> want some<br>
> >> details on<br>
> >> > that step.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > On 2019-06-08 22:25, Mark Matlock wrote:<br>
> >> > > Kurt,<br>
> >> > > If you want two circuits like UNA-0 and IP-0-0 I<br>
> >> think you<br>
> >> > have to<br>
> >> > > be a routing node (but not an area router).<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Not really, but maybe. If you define multiple<br>
> circuits, and<br>
> >> are an<br>
> >> > end-node, only one circuit will be active. But others can<br>
> >> exist, and<br>
> >> > the<br>
> >> > system will fall back to some other circuit if the<br>
> active one<br>
> >> goes<br>
> >> > down.<br>
> >> > So it can be used as a back connection.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > However, even as an end-node, you can have several<br>
> *lines*<br>
> >> on and<br>
> >> > active<br>
> >> > at the same time. And this is a trick to use if you want<br>
> >> > DECnet-over-IP,<br>
> >> > but want to be an endnode. You need ethernet for<br>
> TCP/IP to<br>
> >> work, but<br>
> >> > you<br>
> >> > do not want DECnet to use the ethernet circuit.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > But you configure one IP line as well, and that is<br>
> the one<br>
> >> DECnet will<br>
> >> > be using. Meanwhile, TCP/IP is using the ethernet line.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > It might sound a little confusing, but think about it<br>
> for a<br>
> >> second, and<br>
> >> > I hope it becomes clear. Otherwise, just ask, and<br>
> I'll try to<br>
> >> > explain it<br>
> >> > better.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > > Also, you should define all the nodes you want to<br>
> talk<br>
> >> to with<br>
> >> > NCP in<br>
> >> > > one of the startup files or do it with CFE but I<br>
> prefer<br>
> >> startup<br>
> >> > so it’s<br>
> >> > > simple to change.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > I would actually say that you wouldn't. Of course,<br>
> there is<br>
> >> nothing<br>
> >> > wrong in doing this, but if you want the full HECnet<br>
> nodename<br>
> >> database,<br>
> >> > it contains 700 nodes. That will take a while to type in.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > However, you can copy the nodename database from another<br>
> >> DECnet node,<br>
> >> > and then use this.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > But you need at least the nodename of someone where<br>
> you will<br>
> >> be copying<br>
> >> > from to start with, which is why I suggested adding<br>
> MIM at<br>
> >> the start.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > After that, there is [5,54]NNC which is the nodename<br>
> >> collector task.<br>
> >> > Run<br>
> >> > it, collect names from another node, and build a new<br>
> database<br>
> >> with<br>
> >> > this.<br>
> >> > Then stop and restart the node name server, and you<br>
> have all<br>
> >> the nodes<br>
> >> > defined.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > (The node name server is managed by the command SCP.<br>
> >> > So, SCP STOP followed by SCP START will do it.)<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Johnny<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > --<br>
> >> > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
> >> > || on a<br>
> psychedelic trip<br>
> >> > email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>><br>
> >> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>>> ||<br>
> >> > Reading murder books<br>
> >> > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay<br>
> hip" -<br>
> >> B. Idol<br>
> >> ><br>
> >><br>
> >> -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
> >> || on a psychedelic trip<br>
> >> email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>>> ||<br>
> >> Reading murder books<br>
> >> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" -<br>
> B. Idol<br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
> || on a psychedelic trip<br>
> email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a>> || <br>
> Reading murder books<br>
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol<br>
> <br>
<br>
-- <br>
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus<br>
|| on a psychedelic trip<br>
email: <a href="mailto:bqt@softjar.se" target="_blank">bqt@softjar.se</a> || Reading murder books<br>
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol<br>
</blockquote></div>