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<p>SCO might be another example of what I was talking about. They
were getting blown out of the water by Linux and other vendors and
were behind in functionality in a number of areas. So maybe they
went after the big money (I.E., IBM) to address the cash crunch so
they could fund resources to bring the product up to date.</p>
<p>Lawyers do what lawyers do, which typically isn't coding. SCO
needed both cash and coding, but I think they picked the wrong
target. IBM's lawyers are, well, legendary.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/7/20 2:29 PM, Keith Halewood
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I wonder
how long it’ll be before VSI goes the way of SCO and
eventually owned mostly by lawyers who persuaded the
executives that hounding the hobbyists was the most
profitable thing to do….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE">owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE">mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Cunningham<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 07 March 2020 19:27<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hecnet@Update.UU.SE">hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [HECnet] HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist
license program is closing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>It sounds like a real shame. A lot of programmers have
developed some much for openvms, and now they are just going
to stop it. To bring VMS up to date so to speak; that would be
"artistic" ownership under federal law. A wall owner was just
sued over tearing down his wall that graffiti artists drew on.
It's not all just HP here.<span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 3/7/2020 1:58 PM, William Pechter
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The cost
of a VMS Vax license would probably be more than a license
for later hardware and the hardware.
<br>
<br>
There's been no bug fixes to the last Vax versions and if
you get the Vax license - - if offered - - the ability to
keep the HW running gets harder yearly.
<br>
<br>
A multi thousand dollar/yr license to run on Simh would
suck. $50/Yr might be doable for a hobby. Perhaps
someone could propose something so VSI could offset costs.
<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
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<span style="color:#888888">Sent from <a
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To: <a href="mailto:hecnet@Update.UU.SE"
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Sent: Sat, 07 Mar 2020 13:50<br>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program
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<p>I have received t too. They say ifyou want long term
licenses, buy it! dig out the coins.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 3/7/2020 2:12 AM, Rob Jarratt wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Yes, I have received
it too. I think this is just corporate speak for saying
that they are closing the hobbyist licensing program,
presumably because they no longer support VMS. I think
they should officially release the PAK tool, or allow
hobbyists to request non-expiring licenses (although
that wouldn’t help new hobbyists).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Rob</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> <a
href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE"
moz-do-not-send="true">
owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a> <a
href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE"
moz-do-not-send="true"><owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Moylan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 07 March 2020 05:14<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:hecnet@Update.UU.SE"
moz-do-not-send="true">hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [HECnet] HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist
license program is closing</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Hi all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Just received the
e-mail below. I’ve hunted around all the various
Hobbyist locations and licensing pages and can’t find
any additional information.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">I’ve already
replied back to ask what the impact of Hobbyist
renewal licensing will be. I have no further
information at this stage.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Have others
received this as well? Does anyone have any further
knowledge on this?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">I can see a few
people have forwarded/posted the same message on
comp.os.vms.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Cheers, Wiz!!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> OpenVMS Customer Lab [<a
href="mailto:openvmscustomerlab@hpe.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:openvmscustomerlab@hpe.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 7 March 2020 3:13 PM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> OpenVMS Customer Lab<br>
<b>Subject:</b> OpenVMS Hobbyist Notification</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear HPE OpenVMS
hobbyist,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">This is to inform
you that HPE is concluding the HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist
license program in alignment with the HPE OpenVMS
support roadmap.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If you wish to
understand more details, please reach out to us at the
earliest through the usual license renewal webpage.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thank you.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">HPE OpenVMS team</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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