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    <p>It sounds like  a real shame. A lot of programmers have developed
      some much for openvms, and now they are just going to stop it. To
      bring VMS up to date so to speak; that would be "artistic"
      ownership under federal law. A wall owner was just sued over
      tearing down his wall that graffiti artists drew on. It's not all
      just HP here.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/7/2020 1:58 PM, William Pechter
      wrote:<br>
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      <div>The cost of a VMS Vax license would probably be more than a
        license for later hardware and the hardware.  <br>
        <br>
        There's been no bug fixes to the last Vax versions and if you
        get the Vax license - - if offered - - the ability to keep the
        HW running gets harder yearly. <br>
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        A multi thousand dollar/yr license to run on  Simh would suck. 
        $50/Yr might be doable for a hobby.  Perhaps someone could
        propose something so VSI could offset costs. <br>
        <br>
        Bill<br>
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        -----Original Message-----<br>
        From: Bill Cunningham <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bill.cu@suddenlink.net"><bill.cu@suddenlink.net></a><br>
        To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hecnet@Update.UU.SE">hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a><br>
        Sent: Sat, 07 Mar 2020 13:50<br>
        Subject: Re: [HECnet] HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is
        closing<br>
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      <p>I have received t too. They say ifyou want long term licenses,
        buy it! dig out the coins.<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/7/2020 2:12 AM, Rob Jarratt
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Yes,
              I have received it too. I think this is just corporate
              speak for saying that they are closing the hobbyist
              licensing program, presumably because they no longer
              support VMS. I think they should officially release the
              PAK tool, or allow hobbyists to request non-expiring
              licenses (although that wouldn’t help new hobbyists).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Rob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                    lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                      href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a>
                    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                      href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE></a>
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Moylan<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> 07 March 2020 05:14<br>
                    <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                      href="mailto:hecnet@Update.UU.SE"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> [HECnet] HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist
                    license program is closing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Just received the
                e-mail below. I’ve hunted around all the various
                Hobbyist locations and licensing pages and can’t find
                any additional information.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">I’ve already replied
                back to ask what the impact of Hobbyist renewal
                licensing will be. I have no further information at this
                stage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Have others received
                this as well? Does anyone have any further knowledge on
                this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">I can see a few
                people have forwarded/posted the same message on
                comp.os.vms.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Cheers, Wiz!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                lang="EN-US"> OpenVMS Customer Lab [<a
                  href="mailto:openvmscustomerlab@hpe.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:openvmscustomerlab@hpe.com</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 7 March 2020 3:13 PM<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> OpenVMS Customer Lab<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> OpenVMS Hobbyist Notification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear HPE OpenVMS
                hobbyist,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">This is to inform
                you that HPE is concluding the HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist
                license program in alignment with the HPE OpenVMS
                support roadmap. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If you wish to
                understand more details, please reach out to us at the
                earliest through the usual license renewal webpage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">HPE OpenVMS team<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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