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<p>You mean have something external sitting on the CTY, typing into
it and not bothering to determine where all this stuff goes in
Tops-10? Well, that's certainly one way to skin that particular
cat...<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">But I don't remember having to do much
of anything to Tops-10 to get it to come up except maybe type the
date and time in case the PDP-11 didn't happen to have it. I
forget about the KA and KI; I think they needed a bootstrap
toggled in, but this could be left in low core.<br>
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<p>I don't think it would be a terrible idea to understand just a
little bit more to know what start up files to edit, but I
certainly do understand not wanting to be bothered with
something. If I remember any more, I'll let you know.</p>
<p>The new SIMH port appears to allow for a slaved PDP-6, which I
remember seeing on the 9th floor (It was connected to the MIT AI
KA-10). I think they only shared one moby. The last I heard
was that the KL sources to ITS (MC) were lost. Anyway, if the
SIMH KL simulator allows multiple CPU's, then you could run
Tops-10 SMP, which really was a tour de force. Extremely cool.<br>
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<p><font face="Arial">On 3/10/20 10:41 PM, Supratim Sanyal wrote:
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<p><font face="Arial">31.37 (TWONKY) is just a straight TWONKY
distribution on KLH-10. All required keyboard interactions to
get it to boot up are consistently the same; so I might be
able to wrap it up around an expect script ... worth a shot.</font>
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<p>On 3/10/20 9:46 PM, Thomas DeBellis wrote:<br>
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I think you're right, but it has been <u>decades</u> since I
last used Tops-10. At WPI, we had a KA-10 running a much
modified 6.03 series monitor that we were quite proud of. At
Marlboro, the project that I was working on (FILE-FINDER, a
database for DUMPER tapes) was quite Tops-20 centric; we
depended on files with holes in them.</p>
<p>I'm unaware of any systems level structured data store in
either Tops-10 or Tops-20 with the exception of the Quasar
failsoft file (QSRFSS, holds queue, print, batch requests
across crashes). I don't find this surprising; if you crash
and corrupt a file with confuration information in it, a flat
ASCII file is whaaay easier to recover than an specially
engineered database. The binary accounting and error files
are sequential and don't count, IMHO.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Under Tops-20, we used the
following 'trick' for start-up speed and persisted
configuration. The configuration file was 'compiled' into
binary and directly mapped into memory on start-up.</div>
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<li>This was necessary for LPTSPL as it is started up for
jobs, but shut down and put into a quiescent state when
there is nothing left to print. When you have a lot of
printers, reparsing LPFORM.INI can be a real dog. Very
noticeable.<br>
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<li>I got the idea from the mailer, which does the same
thing for mailing-list.txt</li>
<li>The EXEC will also do it; you can restore a binary
environment with all your special scripts really fast
(like on PUSH or LOGIN)</li>
<li>I had been thinking about doing this for the Extended
Mode FTP server, but I'm not sure it's worth it. I
instrumented the start up time and it's in the
milliseconds. Probably would be necessary for a couple
hundred simultaneous small requests.</li>
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<p>If I ever get truly serious about supporting Galaxy again,
then probably I'll bite the bullet and put up Tops-10 so I
can validate execution.<br>
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I've never used Tops-10 as an operator, so I can't answer most
of this, but one question I think I can... <br>
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My understanding is that neither Tops-10, nor TOPS-20 have a
persistent database. Instead you need to have a script that
does all the definitions, and you need to run it at every
boot. But I could be confused about that one. <br>
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Sanyal wrote: <br>
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KLH-10 TOPS-10 noob questions: <br>
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1) At the TOPS-10 boot startup option prompt, I can type in
CHANGE and then set the DECnet address. How do I make it
persist across reboots and not have to do this every time? <br>
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