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<p><font face="Arial">31.37 (TWONKY) is just a straight TWONKY
distribution on KLH-10. All required keyboard interactions to
get it to boot up are consistently the same; so I might be able
to wrap it up around an expect script ... worth a shot.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/10/20 9:46 PM, Thomas DeBellis
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<p>I think you're right, but it has been <u>decades</u> since I
last used Tops-10. At WPI, we had a KA-10 running a much
modified 6.03 series monitor that we were quite proud of. At
Marlboro, the project that I was working on (FILE-FINDER, a
database for DUMPER tapes) was quite Tops-20 centric; we
depended on files with holes in them.</p>
<p>I'm unaware of any systems level structured data store in
either Tops-10 or Tops-20 with the exception of the Quasar
failsoft file (QSRFSS, holds queue, print, batch requests across
crashes). I don't find this surprising; if you crash and
corrupt a file with confuration information in it, a flat ASCII
file is whaaay easier to recover than an specially engineered
database. The binary accounting and error files are sequential
and don't count, IMHO.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Under Tops-20, we used the following
'trick' for start-up speed and persisted configuration. The
configuration file was 'compiled' into binary and directly
mapped into memory on start-up.</div>
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<li>This was necessary for LPTSPL as it is started up for
jobs, but shut down and put into a quiescent state when
there is nothing left to print. When you have a lot of
printers, reparsing LPFORM.INI can be a real dog. Very
noticeable.<br>
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<li>I got the idea from the mailer, which does the same thing
for mailing-list.txt</li>
<li>The EXEC will also do it; you can restore a binary
environment with all your special scripts really fast (like
on PUSH or LOGIN)</li>
<li>I had been thinking about doing this for the Extended Mode
FTP server, but I'm not sure it's worth it. I instrumented
the start up time and it's in the milliseconds. Probably
would be necessary for a couple hundred simultaneous small
requests.</li>
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<p>If I ever get truly serious about supporting Galaxy again,
then probably I'll bite the bullet and put up Tops-10 so I can
validate execution.<br>
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<hr width="100%" size="2">On 3/10/20 9:25 PM, Johnny Billquist
wrote:<br>
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I've never used Tops-10 as an operator, so I can't answer most
of this, but one question I think I can... <br>
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My understanding is that neither Tops-10, nor TOPS-20 have a
persistent database. Instead you need to have a script that does
all the definitions, and you need to run it at every boot. But I
could be confused about that one. <br>
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<hr width="100%" size="2">On 2020-03-11 01:50, Supratim Sanyal
wrote: <br>
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KLH-10 TOPS-10 noob questions: <br>
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1) At the TOPS-10 boot startup option prompt, I can type in
CHANGE and then set the DECnet address. How do I make it
persist across reboots and not have to do this every time? <br>
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Supratim Sanyal, W1XMT
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