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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And I agree with that logic as well. I did the same for the same reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith Halewood<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 11 March 2020 8:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> hecnet@Update.UU.SE<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [HECnet] Intermittent Connection with PyDECnet?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I chose the code change I made simply because I don’t use pcap. I also don’t like layers for layers sake.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Moylan<br><b>Sent:</b> 10 March 2020 21:19<br><b>To:</b> hecnet@Update.UU.SE<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [HECnet] Intermittent Connection with PyDECnet?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’m all for backwards compatibility, however the /dev/net/tun interface has been in linux since the 2.6 days. A quick google shows that people back in 2010 have been using it, and browsing on kernel.org for the oldest archived kernel entry of 2.6.11 shows code examples for /dev/net/tun dated 2005.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/tree/Documentation/networking/tuntap.txt?h=linux-2.6.11.y">https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/tree/Documentation/networking/tuntap.txt?h=linux-2.6.11.y</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think the starting date for support of /dev/net/tun is earlier than that of the discontinuation of support for /dev/tapx.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Given that the whole goal of pyDECnet is to permit usage of decnet on more modern environments, I think having code that supports back to 2005 is a pretty solid move.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers, Wiz!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE">owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a> [<a href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE">mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas DeBellis<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 11 March 2020 2:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:hecnet@Update.UU.SE">hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [HECnet] Intermittent Connection with PyDECnet?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Since you may be running both on newer and older kernels, does it make sense to test for which tunnel type interface exists and simply use that?<o:p></o:p></p><p>You don't even need to test versions, but rather try /dev/net/tun and if it works, use that or if it fails, use /dev/tapx.<o:p></o:p></p><p>I'm a big fan of dynamic configuration, also known in the trade as 'auto magic' or 'automatic nice things'.<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><pre>On 3/10/20 9:40 AM, Paul Koning wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Thanks, sorry for leaving that dangling. I'll test that and merge it into my code.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> paul<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><pre>On Mar 10, 2020, at 4:28 AM, Keith Halewood <a href="mailto:Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org"><Keith.Halewood@pitbulluk.org></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Hi,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>These are the changes:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>In Ethernet.py:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> class _TapEth (_Ethernet):<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> def open (self):<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> fd = os.open('/dev/net/tun', os.O_RDWR | os.O_NONBLOCK)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> ifr = struct.pack('16sH', self.dev.encode('utf-8'), IFF_TAP | IFF_NO_PI)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> ioctl(fd, TUNSETIFF, ifr)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> self.tap = fd<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> self.sellist = ( fd, )<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> # Turn the interface on -- needed only on Mac OS<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>With the definitions of those constants up near the top:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>TUNSETIFF = 0x400454ca<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>TUNSETOWNER = TUNSETIFF + 2<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>IFF_TUN = 0x0001<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>IFF_TAP = 0x0002<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>IFF_NO_PI = 0x1000<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Keith<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>From: <a href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE">owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a> [<a href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE">mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a>] On Behalf Of David Moylan<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: 10 March 2020 07:46<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: <a href="mailto:hecnet@Update.UU.SE">hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: RE: [HECnet] Intermittent Connection with PyDECnet?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Robert Armstrong said on Tuesday, 10 March 2020 4:17 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> FWIW, the "tap:" option in pyDECnet never worked for me. I use pcap<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre>to<o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>access tap devices -<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> circuit TAP-0 Ethernet pcap:tap0 --single-address --cost=2<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>works for me with Ubuntu 18.04...<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>When I first went to play with pyDECnet under Ubuntu 18, I also discovered issues with the tap adapter. Fundamentally the issue comes down to newer kernels (such as in Ubuntu 18) that use a /dev/net/tun interface to communicate instead of /dev/tapx<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I heard on the list that Keith Halewood had modified Paul's code to work with the newer interface standard, so I reached out to him and he provided me with the changes. It's only a few lines of code that need modification.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I believe Keith has provided Paul with the changes. I'd love to see them become mainstream in pyDECnet, as at the moment if I pull down a new build, I have to make the modifications by hand again. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>With the code changes, tap works a dream for me. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>circuit tap-1022 Ethernet tap:tap1022 --random-address<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>cheers, Wiz!!<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>