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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Unless you have my (experimental) patch
      to SETHOST,  the test below will give you a false negative as the
      remote host is checked for 36 bitness and that specific message is
      given.  This is case with the default PANDA nor the current DEC
      distribution.  If you remove the test, you get the following
      results for RSX and VMS.</div>
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      <p><tt>!g new:sethost<br>
          !staRT (PROGRAM) <br>
          % Do not have Control-C capability, proceeding...<br>
          Escape character(^Y):<br>
          Host name: MIM<br>
          [Connecting to remote host: MIM]<br>
          [Remote system is running RSX-11M]<br>
          [Connected: type ^Y to return to node VENTI2]</tt><br>
        <tt><tt><br>
            <br>
            Back at node VENTI2, connection broken -  Reject or
            disconnect by object</tt></tt><tt><tt><br>
          </tt>!staRT (PROGRAM)<br>
          % Do not have Control-C capability, proceeding...<br>
          Escape character(^Y):<br>
          Host name: LEGATO<br>
          [Connecting to remote host: LEGATO]<br>
          [Remote system is running VMS]<br>
          [Connected: type ^Y to return to node VENTI2]<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          Back at node VENTI2, connection broken -  Reject or disconnect
          by object</tt><br>
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              <hr width="100%" size="2">On 5/5/20 9:52 AM, R. Voorhorst
              wrote:</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> R.
                Voorhorst [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:R.Voorhorst@swabhawat.com">mailto:R.Voorhorst@swabhawat.com</a>] <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 05 May, 2020 12:04<br>
                <b>To:</b> '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE">owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a>'
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE"><owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> RE: [HECnet] More NRT --> VMS and
                others<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi
            Thomas,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
            use NRT frequently on the older systems as CTERM does not
            work well with them; often bursty IO.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">On
            VAX/VMS, NRT usually works well, at least as host and
            cooperates well with Tops10/Tops20 Panda.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Also
            on Rsx11M and Rsts 10.1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Sethost
            on Tops20 Panda to VMS however does not:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">sethost<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Escape
            character(^Y):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Host
            name: swbv89<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">?
            Communication with VMS not supported by SETHOST<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Even
            on OpenVms alpha 8.3 it works to vax, however with
            connection to tops10/20, the process crashes with an
            exception.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Maybe
            it could be repaired on Alpha, but I doubt sufficient
            sources are around.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You
            can test initial connect on Swbv55 on hecnet when it is up,
            as it is a VAX VMS 7.3 hecnet area router, though you cannot
            login on it (yet?).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best
            regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">R.V.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a
                  href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a> [<a
                  href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas DeBellis<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 05 May, 2020 07:14<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:hecnet@Update.UU.SE"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [HECnet] More NRT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>What's fun about the Tops-20 NRT client (SETHOST) is that it
          doesn't do much aside from parsing for an escape character and
          node name.  It builds a connection string and checks to make
          sure the remote system is either a 10 or a 20.  Then it
          twiddles a few things on the terminal (a few more if you're
          running my changes to handle page mode).  Finally, and this is
          the cool part, it issues an MTOPR% to directly connect the
          local user's terminal to the open DECnet connection (port 23).<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Thereafter, the client does nothing until the interrupt
          character is typed or the connection is broken.  So response
          can be pretty snappy because you are never running in user
          space; no context switching.  The CTERM client on the other
          hand is reading and writing data and otherwise handling the
          specifics of the protocol in user space.  So, more overhead
          and more context switching.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>As an experiment, I removed the checks for Tops-10 and
          Tops-20 and tried connecting to a few hosts on HECnet.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <li class="MsoNormal"
            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
            level1 lfo3">Tops-20; TOMMYT and TWENEX worked (of course)<o:p></o:p></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal"
            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
            level1 lfo3">Tops-10; VENTI worked<o:p></o:p></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal"
            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
            level1 lfo3">RSX-11+; MIM accepted the connection and broke
            it as soon as I started typing.  <o:p></o:p></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal"
            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
            level1 lfo3">VMS; LEGATO accepted the connection and broke
            it as soon as I started typing.<o:p></o:p></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal"
            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
            level1 lfo3">RSTS; TRON accepted the connection and then did
            nothing.  It never broke the connection, but never displayed
            any banner or anything else.  It appeared hung.<o:p></o:p></li>
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        <p>So it would appear that NRT servers only exist on the 36 bit
          line.  Perhaps it's possible to configure the service for
          other platforms?<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>The first few RSTS systems I tried didn't appear to be
          online; MEZZO, PLUTO, RSTSE and BITXOT.  The few Windows
          systems I checked didn't appear to be online, either; WXP,
          MISSY, KIBBEH and WATAN.  I'm not sure if that means they
          refused the connection attempt outright.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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