<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Making it unsigned on t10/t20 is simple, can the VMS/RSX/etc experts we </div><div>have here set their system date to 2022 and se what happens?<br></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Thanks John for the clarification.<br></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>-P<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"John Forecast" <john@forecast.name><br><b>To: </b>"hecnet" <hecnet@Update.UU.SE><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, December 27, 2020 12:30:54 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [HECnet] DECnet-10 doesn't work past Nov 9 2021?<br></blockquote></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><br class=""><div><blockquote class=""><div class="">On Dec 27, 2020, at 11:46 AM, Robert Armstrong <<a href="mailto:bob@jfcl.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">bob@jfcl.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="font-family:'helvetica';font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif" class=""> This topic came up on the alt.sys.pdp10 list</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif" class=""> </div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://groups.google.com/g/alt.sys.pdp10/c/ZttQxHZGEJQ" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">https://groups.google.com/g/alt.sys.pdp10/c/ZttQxHZGEJQ</a><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif" class=""> </div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif" class="">Apparently DECnet-10 won’t work past November 9<sup class="">th</sup><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>2021, which isn’t that far away. Personally I’d never heard this before and had no idea, and since I know there are a few 36 bit emulations on HECnet that are obviously using DECnet I thought I’d pass it along.</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif" class=""> </div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif" class=""> TOPS20 isn’t explicitly mentioned, but I’m guessing that it has the exact same issue. That’d mean no DECnet on 36 bit systems after next year! Unless, of course, you want to start playing games with the date (which I hate doing)…</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif" class=""> </div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif" class="">Bob</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">It’s not just a DECnet-10/20 problem. DECnet event logging for any system may fail after Nov 9th 2021. Events are time-stamped when they are generated with a 2-byte field holding the number of half julian days since Jan-1 1977. The spec (Network Management 4.0.0, page 170/171) implies that these 2 bytes should be treated as a signed value (0 - 32767) which will overflow on Nov 9th 2021. If the code treats it as unsigned, then we’re good for another 44 years. I wrote most of the RSX and Ultrix event logging code but I don’t remember if that field was treated as signed or unsigned. Phase V fixed the problem allowing the time stamp to go well past the year 9999.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> John.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br></blockquote></div></div></body></html>