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/*]]>*/</style></div><div>This is kind of a bit off topic.. But... <br></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>So I have a lot of T10 7.02 based code for KI10 (using tops10 KI paging...). None of the PDP10 emulators do T10 KI paging..</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>7.03 has lots of internal changes that did not work on KI, so back ported DECnet 4 etc from 7.03 to 7.02 (remember we had KI CPU's..)<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Was there 7.02 that used KL10/Tops20 paging? I don't have the dist tapes any longer?<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Or is there a PDP10 emulator that do KI Tops10 paging that would run my 7.02?<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>--P<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>So what's the actual T20 patch for NOV 2021 DECnet?<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Ps, tops10 does not "cross compile" between versions well (or at all..)<br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"tommytimesharing" <tommytimesharing@gmail.com><br><b>To: </b>"hecnet" <hecnet@Update.UU.SE><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, October 18, 2021 3:00:00 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [HECnet] A2RTR downtime<br></blockquote></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;">I wouldn't worry about it; I don't use <font face="monospace"><tt>VENTI</tt></font>
all that much, either. …<i>Except</i> when I do… Then I have to
tell you that it has proven to be positively invaluable and I am
very grateful for that!<br>
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If this were critical, then I'd think about getting off my butt and
putting up Tops-10 somewhere on one of my home systems. But that
would blow a lot of time; I haven't done a <font size="4"><tt>MONGEN</tt></font>
since…well, I honestly can't remember—it's well over four decades
and I never knew that part of it well to begin with. Come to
think of it, I might have been doing a <font size="4"><tt>ONCE</tt></font>
and not a <font size="4"><tt>MONGEN</tt></font>.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Actually, having a guest account on
other HECnet systems has also proved invaluable for chasing down
arcane Tops-20 issues. Thanks all!!<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I reached out to Lars Brinkhoff
concerning my Tops-10 patch and he said he would distribute
wherever it made "sense" to do so. If I get any feedback, I will
forward it. Otherwise, let me know if there is any way I can
provide assistance.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Yes, it is a shame about the <font size="4"><tt>STOPCODE</tt></font>, but it would appear that the
maintainer had some different ideas in the mid-1980's when this
code was put in about what the usage of Tops-10 would be. This
comment is illustrative, the first sentence being key:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><u>I doubt very much that the date
itself has really gone past 2021</u>. Probably someone
smashed an AC or the routine to get the time from the monitor is
returning junk. However, on November 9, 2021, it appears that
many people will see this problem so prepare your SPR for that
date.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I think the problem is that Tops-10
didn't have the kind of die-hard fanatics supporting it (read,
MRC) that Tops-10 did, so stuff like this was caught and fixed
years ago. D36COM has an edit date of 2001 for this, but since it
is from Gorin, it's probably older.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I continue to find Y2K things to clean
up, these days mostly in the listings from various compilers and
the remaining CUSP's that MRC didn't catch.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Another thing I fix are internal time
of day comparisons. This is stored as an unsigned 36 bit fixed
fraction having resolution to about ⅓ of a second, 35 bits
bringing you to 27-Sep-2217 20:00:00 EST US, the full 36 taking
you to 7-Aug-2576 19:59:59 EST US. Since the PDP-10 only has
signed comparisons, all single comparison arithmetic will break in
a mere 195 years. Fixing that double word signed compares has
given me some more breathing room. In 554 years, I'm sure I'll
have thought of something else…<br>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'sans-serif';color:#1f497d">On
10/18/21 11:19 AM, Robert Armstrong wrote:</span><br>
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<blockquote><b><span style="color:red">Second</span></b>
<font color="black"><span style="font-weight:normal">is
VENTI; I had wanted to test something on it and it
doesn't appear to be online.</span></font><span style="color:#1f497d"></span></blockquote>
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Sorry, I’m somewhat lazy about booting it up when the host
system is rebooted. I don’t use VENTI that much.</span></p>
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</p><blockquote>Had you had any interest in trying it?</blockquote>
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It sounds like I’m going to have to. It’s a shame this
STOPCODE was a halt and not just a debug one; at least the
latter would have allowed the system to continue running.</span></p>
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This also means I have to re-discover how to do a MONGEN and
build. There was a time, 30 years ago (actually, 40 years
ago) when I could have done it from memory but now I’ll have
to read the manual again</span></p>
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