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    By "Windows Server", do you mean Windows Server Edition or some
    version of Windows set up to have a server role?  In particular, I
    have a Windows 7 Enterprise machine that I have in mind for this.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Production life means a lot; I didn't
      mess around when I did that.  The server was Window 2000 Server
      running Backup Exec that had ECC memory, triple redundant power
      supplies, multi-UPS, four disk RAID 5 plus two hot spares along 
      and a tape loader library.  It also had attached terabyte USB
      storage if the auto-loader when down.  I absolutely was not
      interested in failures.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I ultimately didn't particularly care
      for Backup Exec, but it was what I had to use.<br>
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            10/19/21 9:06 AM, David Moylan wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’ll
            also push a vote for Veeam Community Edition. I run a VMware
            ESXi box which contains a mix of windows and linux VM’s
            (primarily linux). I use Veeam to backup all the VM’s to a
            NAS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As
            mentioned, you’ll need to run this up on a Windows server.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
            use Veeam in my production life as well as run a Veeam cloud
            backup server for my clients offsite copies. I’ve been using
            this for many years and it’s one of the best VM backup
            products on the market.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For
            my office backup we put the Veeam backups on a Synology NAS
            and run NAS to NAS replica between my office to another NAS
            at a co-workers house.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            Wiz!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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                  lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE">owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a>
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE"><owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE></a>
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Hechinger<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 19 October 2021 10:46 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hecnet@Update.UU.SE">hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [HECnet] A2RTR downtime<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          A bit late to this party, but if you're looking for an offsite
          backup service I've been using Jotta Cloud and so far it's
          pretty nice. Natively supports linux. Not too expensive
          either. I'm paying
          <span class="jsx-4154033723">€7.99/month for unlimited
            storage.</span><o:p></o:p><br>
          <br>
          -brian<o:p></o:p><br>
          <o:p></o:p>
          <blockquote type="cite"
            cite="mid:FF343F78-ABE7-43CA-9CA5-802A1F608FAE@avanthar.com">
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              <p>On 18/10/21 16:53, Zane Healy wrote:<br>
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              Take a look at Veeam, specifically the “Community
              Edition”.  You should also be able to take a look at the
              "Veeam Agent for Linux”, as you can simply run it on your
              Linux box, and point it at an NFS share or USB disk.  The
              community edition of Veeam Backup and Recovery allows you
              to backup 10 Physical or Virtual systems for free.  It’s
              only downside is that it needs to run on Windows.</div>
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            <div class="">I do nightly Veeam backups of all the VMware
              VM’s that run my virtual DEC systems.  This has saved me
              in at least one case.</div>
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            <div class="">Bare metal Veeam restores are an option, since
              you asked about “Bare Metal”, but that’s something I’ve
              not tested.</div>
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            <div class="">Zane</div>
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                <p>On Oct 17, 2021, at 12:53 PM, Thomas DeBellis <<a
                    href="mailto:tommytimesharing@gmail.com"
                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tommytimesharing@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color:
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                          color="red">Fourth</font></b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(and
                      final) concerns RAID in an indirect way.  My
                      Tops-20 systems are backed up on a quarterly basis
                      and those backups compressed and moved to
                      alternate storage.  However, I have never backed
                      up any of the Ubuntu systems and, although I am
                      running SSD media, some of this is quite old and
                      I'm starting to feel uncomfortable out it.</font></div>
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color:
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                    <font size="4">Were you aware of any winning backup
                      solutions?  I can restore Tops-20 to bare metal,
                      but I really don't remember how to do this for
                      Unix (although I did know it for Ultrix at one
                      point).  So I starting looking.  Déjà Dup looks
                      like it won't quite do what I need, but since it
                      uses duplicity, I started looking at that.<br
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color:
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                    -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration:
                    none;"><font size="4">Remember, even a RAID is no
                      substitute for backup.  This was probably more
                      true in the days where a hardware RAID controller
                      error introduced a single point of failure; it may
                      still be true for a software RAID.</font></div>
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