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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Yes, you need to be running a Windows Server product. It’s supported from Windows 2008R2 upwards. Windows 7 Enterprise is a desktop
product so would not be suitable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You could also consider running Veeam Agent for Linux. This is a guest based backup system, free for use and is available on a whole
number of distributions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="https://www.veeam.com/veeam_agent_linux_5_0_release_notes_rn.pdf">https://www.veeam.com/veeam_agent_linux_5_0_release_notes_rn.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">backup exec …… ooh dear. What a clanger of a product, though we’ve all been there!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The other product which has recently caught my attention is UrBackup. Cross platform support and nice web UI. CLI support as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="https://www.urbackup.org/index.html">https://www.urbackup.org/index.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m thinking of spinning it up for testing in my home lab.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There is also ElkarBackup<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="https://www.elkarbackup.org/">https://www.elkarbackup.org/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">this is Linux based and connects to other boxes using SSH and rsync to backup the data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers, Wiz!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE <owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas DeBellis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 20 October 2021 9:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> hecnet@Update.UU.SE<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [HECnet] A2RTR downtime<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">By "Windows Server", do you mean Windows Server Edition or some version of Windows set up to have a server role? In particular, I have a Windows 7 Enterprise machine that I have in mind for this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Production life means a lot; I didn't mess around when I did that. The server was Window 2000 Server running Backup Exec that had ECC memory, triple redundant power supplies, multi-UPS, four disk RAID 5 plus two hot spares along and a
tape loader library. It also had attached terabyte USB storage if the auto-loader when down. I absolutely was not interested in failures.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I ultimately didn't particularly care for Backup Exec, but it was what I had to use.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">On 10/19/21 9:06 AM, David Moylan wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’ll also push a vote for Veeam Community Edition. I run a VMware ESXi box which contains a mix of windows and linux VM’s (primarily
linux). I use Veeam to backup all the VM’s to a NAS.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As mentioned, you’ll need to run this up on a Windows server.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I use Veeam in my production life as well as run a Veeam cloud backup server for my clients offsite copies. I’ve been using this for
many years and it’s one of the best VM backup products on the market.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For my office backup we put the Veeam backups on a Synology NAS and run NAS to NAS replica between my office to another NAS at a co-workers
house.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers, Wiz!!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE">owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a> <a href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE">
<owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Hechinger<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 19 October 2021 10:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:hecnet@Update.UU.SE">hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [HECnet] A2RTR downtime</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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A bit late to this party, but if you're looking for an offsite backup service I've been using Jotta Cloud and so far it's pretty nice. Natively supports linux. Not too expensive either. I'm paying
<span class="jsx-4154033723">€7.99/month for unlimited storage.</span><br>
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-brian<br>
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<p>On 18/10/21 16:53, Zane Healy wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Take a look at Veeam, specifically the “Community Edition”. You should also be able to take a look at the "Veeam Agent for Linux”, as you can simply run it on your Linux box, and point it at an NFS share or USB disk. The community edition
of Veeam Backup and Recovery allows you to backup 10 Physical or Virtual systems for free. It’s only downside is that it needs to run on Windows.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do nightly Veeam backups of all the VMware VM’s that run my virtual DEC systems. This has saved me in at least one case.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bare metal Veeam restores are an option, since you asked about “Bare Metal”, but that’s something I’ve not tested.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Zane<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>On Oct 17, 2021, at 12:53 PM, Thomas DeBellis <<a href="mailto:tommytimesharing@gmail.com">tommytimesharing@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:red">Fourth</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">(and
final) concerns RAID in an indirect way. My Tops-20 systems are backed up on a quarterly basis and those backups compressed and moved to alternate storage. However, I have never backed up any of the Ubuntu systems and, although I am running SSD media, some
of this is quite old and I'm starting to feel uncomfortable out it.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Were you aware of any winning backup solutions? I can restore Tops-20 to bare metal, but I really don't remember how to do this for Unix (although I did know it for Ultrix at one point).
So I starting looking. Déjà Dup looks like it won't quite do what I need, but since it uses duplicity, I started looking at that.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Remember, even a RAID is no substitute for backup. This was probably more true in the days where a hardware RAID controller error introduced a single point of failure; it
may still be true for a software RAID.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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