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    <p><font face="Arial">@Paul - found my post from 2019 - looks like I
        posted the Cisco Ping exchange to c.o.vms and made some folks
        grumpy:
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.vms/c/8Yu7SNCu0es/m/dxS93LQDBgAJ">https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.vms/c/8Yu7SNCu0es/m/dxS93LQDBgAJ</a></font></p>
    <p><font face="Arial">Here's the paste of that post:</font></p>
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    <section class="BkrUxb" tabindex="0" role="listitem"
      data-doc-id="wKCcDBHCBQAJ" data-subject="Re: Cisco IOS "ping
      decnet" vs. NCP (loop?) on OpenVMS/VAX 7.3 DECnet-IV"
      data-is-first="false" data-author="Supratim Sanyal"
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              style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; margin:
              12px 0px; overflow: auto;">It appears Cisco is sending out
              a "DNA NSP message: Link service message<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              (0x10)" to which the remote node is responding with "DNA
              NSP message:<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Disconnect confirm (0x48)" with "Reason for disconnect:
              Unknown<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              (0x0029)", constituting one successful "Ping".<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              <br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Can this exchange be done using the NCP command line on
              OpenVMS?<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              <br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Ping source (Cisco Router) : 1.579 / AA-00-04-00-43-06<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Ping target (OpenVMS/VAX 7.3): 29.100 / AA-00-04-00-64-74<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              <br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              ----------------<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Outgoing packet:<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              ----------------<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Frame 3: 116 bytes on wire (928 bits), 116 bytes captured
              (928 bits) on<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              interface 0<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Interface id: 0 (vde-decnet-tap1)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Interface name: vde-decnet-tap1<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Encapsulation type: Ethernet (1)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Arrival Time: Feb 21, 2019 17:39:27.947909852 UTC<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              [Time shift for this packet: 0.000000000 seconds]<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Epoch Time: 1550770767.947909852 seconds<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              [Time delta from previous captured frame: 0.626152916
              seconds]<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              [Time delta from previous displayed frame: 0.626152916
              seconds]<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              [Time since reference or first frame: 1.943204371 seconds]<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Frame Number: 3<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Frame Length: 116 bytes (928 bits)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Capture Length: 116 bytes (928 bits)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              [Frame is marked: False]<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              [Frame is ignored: False]<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              [Protocols in frame: eth:ethertype:dec_dna]<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Ethernet II, Src: DecLocal_00:43:06 (aa:00:04:00:43:06),
              Dst:<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              DecLocal_00:2f:06 (aa:00:04:00:2f:06)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Destination: DecLocal_00:2f:06 (aa:00:04:00:2f:06)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Address: DecLocal_00:2f:06 (aa:00:04:00:2f:06)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              .... ..1. .... .... .... .... = LG bit: Locally
              administered<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              address (this is NOT the factory default)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              .... ...0 .... .... .... .... = IG bit: Individual address<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              (unicast)<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Source: DecLocal_00:43:06 (aa:00:04:00:43:06)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Address: DecLocal_00:43:06 (aa:00:04:00:43:06)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              .... ..1. .... .... .... .... = LG bit: Locally
              administered<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              address (this is NOT the factory default)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              .... ...0 .... .... .... .... = IG bit: Individual address<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              (unicast)<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Type: DEC DNA Routing (0x6003)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              DEC DNA Routing Protocol<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Routing flags: 0x0e<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              .... .11. = Long data packet format: 0x3<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              .... 1... = Return to Sender Request: Yes<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              ...0 .... = Packet on return trip: No<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              ..0. .... = Intra-ethernet packet: No<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              .0.. .... = Discarded packet: No<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Destination Address: DecLocal_00:64:74 (aa:00:04:00:64:74)
              (29.100)<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Source Address: DecLocal_00:43:06 (aa:00:04:00:43:06)
              (1.579)<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Next level 2 router: 0x00<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Visit count: 0x01<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Service class: 0x00<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Protocol type: 0x00<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              DNA NSP message: Link service message (0x10)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Destination node: 0x7464<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Source node: 0x0643<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              .... 0000 0000 0000 = Message number: 0<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              ...0 .... .... .... = Delayed ACK allowed: No<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              <br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              <br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              ---------------<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Incoming packet<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              ---------------<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Frame 4: 60 bytes on wire (480 bits), 60 bytes captured
              (480 bits) on<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              interface 0<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Interface id: 0 (vde-decnet-tap1)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Interface name: vde-decnet-tap1<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Encapsulation type: Ethernet (1)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Arrival Time: Feb 21, 2019 17:39:28.069274170 UTC<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              [Time shift for this packet: 0.000000000 seconds]<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Epoch Time: 1550770768.069274170 seconds<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              [Time delta from previous captured frame: 0.121364318
              seconds]<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              [Time delta from previous displayed frame: 0.121364318
              seconds]<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              [Time since reference or first frame: 2.064568689 seconds]<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Frame Number: 4<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Frame Length: 60 bytes (480 bits)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Capture Length: 60 bytes (480 bits)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              [Frame is marked: False]<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              [Frame is ignored: False]<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              [Protocols in frame: eth:ethertype:dec_dna]<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Ethernet II, Src: DecLocal_00:2f:06 (aa:00:04:00:2f:06),
              Dst:<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              DecLocal_00:43:06 (aa:00:04:00:43:06)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Destination: DecLocal_00:43:06 (aa:00:04:00:43:06)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Address: DecLocal_00:43:06 (aa:00:04:00:43:06)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              .... ..1. .... .... .... .... = LG bit: Locally
              administered<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              address (this is NOT the factory default)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              .... ...0 .... .... .... .... = IG bit: Individual address<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              (unicast)<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Source: DecLocal_00:2f:06 (aa:00:04:00:2f:06)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Address: DecLocal_00:2f:06 (aa:00:04:00:2f:06)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              .... ..1. .... .... .... .... = LG bit: Locally
              administered<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              address (this is NOT the factory default)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              .... ...0 .... .... .... .... = IG bit: Individual address<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              (unicast)<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Type: DEC DNA Routing (0x6003)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              DEC DNA Routing Protocol<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Routing flags: 0x06<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              .... .11. = Long data packet format: 0x3<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              .... 0... = Return to Sender Request: No<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              ...0 .... = Packet on return trip: No<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              ..0. .... = Intra-ethernet packet: No<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              .0.. .... = Discarded packet: No<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Destination Address: DecLocal_00:43:06 (aa:00:04:00:43:06)
              (1.579)<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Source Address: DecLocal_00:64:74 (aa:00:04:00:64:74)
              (29.100)<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Next level 2 router: 0x00<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Visit count: 0x01<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Service class: 0x00<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Protocol type: 0x00<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              DNA NSP message: Disconnect confirm (0x48)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Destination node: 0x0643<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
              Source node: 0x7464<br style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
                transparent;">
              Reason for disconnect: Unknown (0x0029)<br
                style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;">
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      decnet" vs. NCP (loop?) on OpenVMS/VAX 7.3 DECnet-IV"
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/5/21 1:12 PM, Paul Koning wrote:<br>
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        <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Nov 5, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Supratim Sanyal <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:supratim@riseup.net"><supratim@riseup.net></a> wrote:

On 11/5/21 1:04 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:

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          <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Probably the problem that Cisco equipment don't talk NICE. :-) 

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        <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">But they do respond to the peculiar Cisco "PING DECNET x.y" exchange, I owe Paul a wireshark of that exchange, will get on it!
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      <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">
I hadn't thought of including that in the mapper, but you're right, that is a possible enhancement.

        paul


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