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<p>Boy, now that is a pal!</p>
<p>So where would somebody like me be able to get that? The 4.1
Galaxy has some very interesting things in MOUNTR that were sadly
removed that I would like to put in at some point in order to be
able to set super-domestic on a per-structure basis.</p>
<p>super-domestic can make your life easier because you have less
directory and user numbers overall to deal with. However, the
other side of that coin is that you have less of them total. If
you have a large number of directories, users and structures, you
run out of number, maybe, maybe (it's an 18 bit field) There's
also the case of a restored structure with it's own numbers that
might clash with super-domestic. That might happen if you grab a
lot of DECUS stuff (although there is brokeness there, too)<br>
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<p>Still for, with automated number management, much of the headache
(and hence reason) for super-domestic goes away and I'd rather
have the extra granularity.<br>
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<p>It really depends on how you're going to use the system and how
'Unixy' you want certain things to work. So I'd rather shut it
off for my purposes, but I sure wouldn't want it not to be
available.<br>
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A kind soul sent me a TOPS-20 V4.1 SIMH disk a while ago with
basic information, and that's what I use for my Phase II testing.
It has in its <DECNET> directory some sources: NETCON bits,
NFT, DAP.
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user manual on Bitsavers, which combines programming and
management documentation. It mentions that Phase II NCP has a
NICE protocol just like the later versions, except that it
doesn't seems to be compatible. At least my NICE listener
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<p class="">Where did you get that NETCON from? I don't
have it.</p>
<p class="">Or is a Tops-10 NETCON? (which I wouldn't
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I found the code, it's in NETCON (specifically, NCP). So now all I have to do is reverse engineer it. That's going to be interesting because I haven't looked at Macro-10 in 45 years, and even back then I didn't really know it well at all.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Oct 28, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Paul Koning <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:paulkoning@comcast.net" moz-do-not-send="true"><paulkoning@comcast.net></a> wrote:
I'm guessing it has to do with learning the shape of the Phase II network. That's an entirely different problem than Phase III and later. The connect is by name, so object 0, object name TOPOL. And I don't have anything to answer that request so I have no trace. I suppose I could build a dummy responder just to see what question is asked.
If indeed it's Phase II topology related, it would make sense for the host not to have that server, and of course it would also go away in Phase III. The host requests, but does not offer, "intercept" which is node name based routing in Phase II that was implemented only in a few places. Somewhere I saw that it exists only to get past the front end (on larger machines) which was handled as a separate node so it counts as a network hop. Without intercept, Phase II only goes a single hop.
I found the code, it's in NETCON (specifically, NCP). So now all I have to do is reverse engineer it. That's going to be interesting because I haven't looked at Macro-10 in 45 years, and even back then I didn't really know it well at all.
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TOPOL? Hmm... No, I hadn't heard of that, either. It sounds almost familiar, but I don't know why Tops-20 would be asking for it because it doesn't appear to be serving it, viz:...
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