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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>For the impatient amongst thee I have as interim solution the following, pending the release of the software tree:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>The load image for simh Pdp11 of Anfu63 being a 5 sync line DN200 with peripherals with node-number 63 (routers top down allocated).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>The simh config file for configuring a working simh Pdp11/34 with the proper throttling to make it work; the proper setting is important because of Chk11 init phase which is instruction timing based!!! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>The pdf of the complete listing file of the Anfu63 load image.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>This configuration maxes out on the number of possible connections to be usable as a star formation router.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Beware: the plt plotter device is absent in current simh Pdp11 as I added it in my simh variants for Pdp8A sim (almost finished), Pdp11, Pdp10 and Pdp10-KI/KL; it should not be a problem and can be commented out. The config is for a Windows platform but you Unix/Linux guys will easily hack it into your suitable form.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The config file is self-explanatory with respect to interconnecting; I keep a port number allocation schema for all my Decnet/Anf10 nodes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>This configuration runs on a Pdp11 simh with a commit date from about 2 years ago, but I do not think it will preclude the current last commit.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It you got it running, you can inspect the running node with Ddt11 from a KS10 based system.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Download link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/170HhUK84d81MMjre8z5vgEennxPdJ10g/view?usp=sharing<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If problems, contact me …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Fun and success,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Reindert<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> R. Voorhorst [mailto:R.Voorhorst@swabhawat.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 17 November, 2021 10:07<br><b>To:</b> hecnet@Update.UU.SE<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Robert Armstrong' <bob@jfcl.com>; 'Peter Lothberg' <roll@stupi.com><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [HECnet] ANF10 network --> Kdp/Dup --> recipe for 8 Dups<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The following recipe enables 8 dups:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>In simh in Pdp10_defs.h: </span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#818181'>#define </span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#6F008A'>DUP_LINES </span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black'>8 </span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#008100'>/* max # of DUP11's */<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>and rebuild the pdp10.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#008100'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#008100'>In Tops10: </span>Edit NETPRM.MAC in the monitor build tree, usually in [10,7,MON], and modify: MXNDUP==^D8<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'> from ^D2 and reassemble NETPRM and D8KINT and replace it in TOPS10.REL.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:36.0pt;text-autospace:none'>In SYSCNF.MAC locate M.KDUP and modify as follows<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'>M.KDUP==:10<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'>;; Type of line for KDP0 (ANF10,DECNET,USER,IBM) [<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'>;; This question is asked for each KDP (KMC/DUP line) indicated in the <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'>;; previous question. Type the name of the network product that the line <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'>;; will support.]: d<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'>M.0KDP==:2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'>M.1KDP==:2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'>M.2KDP==:2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'>M.3KDP==:2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'>M.4KDP==:1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'>M.5KDP==:1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'>M.6KDP==:1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'>M.7KDP==:1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi'>The above values are for 4 Decnet and 4 Anf10 but that can be filled in differently as needed</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>Then rebuild the monitor.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>Change the Simh Pdp10 config file with the required settings set dup lines=8 and attach definitions for Dup0 to Dup7.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>That is all there is to it; if the instructions are to sparse I will expand them; patched files are overkill here as generally my files have evolved further in version numbers and features and undoing the unnecessary ones may lead to errors.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>The DN200 files have to wait till next week as I have other obligations at the moment.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>Success,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>Reindert<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob@jfcl.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 16 November, 2021 21:33<br><b>To:</b> R.Voorhorst@swabhawat.com<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [HECnet] ANF10 network --> Kdp/Dup<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Reindert,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> Post the details, please! Especially the TOPS10 patch. MONGEN limits you to two lines on the KS, but even if I manually edit the resulting SYSCNF.MAC file I still get errors when building the monitor.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> Are you also running an ANF10 network?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE] <b>On Behalf Of </b>R. Voorhorst<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 16, 2021 12:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> hecnet@Update.UU.SE<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [HECnet] ANF10 network --> Kdp/Dup<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>L.S.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It is quite easy to expand this; currently I run 8 lines from the Kdp/dup and it works quite well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It needs a slight adaptation in Simh and another in Tops10, but you have to rebuild the monitor.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Reindert<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Armstrong<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 16 November, 2021 17:34<br><b>To:</b> hecnet@Update.UU.SE<br><b>Subject:</b> [HECnet] ANF10 network<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> Supratim and I (with some help and encouragement from Peter) have set up an ANF10 network between the TOPS10 nodes VENTI and TWONKY. If you haven’t heard of it, ANF10 (short for “A Networking Feature” – yes, really!) predates DECnet (I’m pretty sure, although I’m sure there will be debate about that) and provides mostly the same functions – remote terminals, file transfer, etc. ANF10 also has remote RJEs with card readers, line printers and terminal concentrators.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Courier New",serif'>.net/anf<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Courier New",serif'>[ANF10 network: connected to VENTI(20), located at VENTI(20), 2 nodes]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Courier New",serif'>Node VENTI (20) SIMH KS10 VENTI 7.04 NET 14-Nov-21<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Courier New",serif'>Node TWONKY (37) SIMH KS10 TWONKY 7.04NET 15-Nov-21<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> It’s possible to run ANF10 and DECnet both, and that’s what we’re doing so TWONKY and VENTI are also available on HECnet. If anybody else has a TOPS10 system and would like to connect it would be nice to add a few more nodes, but there is a problem. TOPS10 supports a maximum of two KDP/DUP lines on the KS10, and you need one for DECnet and the other for ANF10. That means each system can talk to at most one other ANF10 system, which limits the network size to two nodes. Bummer…<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> There are a few options available –<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span>DEC made some DNxx PDP-11 boxes that supported multiple ANF10 connections. We could set up one of these as a router.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span>Somebody could hack TOPS10 to allow more than two DUP lines.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span>Somebody could write a pyDECnet type gizmo that speaks ANF10.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>And there might be others that I haven’t thought of yet. Any ideas?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Bob<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>