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<p>On 11/18/21 11:10 AM, R. Voorhorst wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi,</span></p>
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Hi.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">For the
impatient amongst thee I have as interim solution the
following, pending the release of the software tree:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="color:#1F497D">The load image for simh Pdp11 of
Anfu63 being a 5 sync line DN200 with peripherals with
node-number 63 (routers top down allocated).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="color:#1F497D">The simh config file for configuring a
working simh Pdp11/34 with the proper throttling to make it
work; the proper setting is important because of Chk11 init
phase which is instruction timing based!!! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>How does one arrive at a realistic argument for throttle? Did you
put 2000/1 because you reckon your host processor does 2000
instructions in the same time as the guest processor does 1? Or is
it more pure clock speed based?</p>
<p>SET THROTTLE 2000/1<br>
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<p>Regards,<br>
Supratim<br>
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style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span
style="color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="color:#1F497D">The pdf of the complete listing file
of the Anfu63 load image.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">This
configuration maxes out on the number of possible
connections to be usable as a star formation router.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Beware: the plt
plotter device is absent in current simh Pdp11 as I added it
in my simh variants for Pdp8A sim (almost finished), Pdp11,
Pdp10 and Pdp10-KI/KL; it should not be a problem and can be
commented out. The config is for a Windows platform but you
Unix/Linux guys will easily hack it into your suitable form.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The config file
is self-explanatory with respect to interconnecting; I keep
a port number allocation schema for all my Decnet/Anf10
nodes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">This
configuration runs on a Pdp11 simh with a commit date from
about 2 years ago, but I do not think it will preclude the
current last commit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It you got it
running, you can inspect the running node with Ddt11 from a
KS10 based system.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Download link:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/170HhUK84d81MMjre8z5vgEennxPdJ10g/view?usp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/170HhUK84d81MMjre8z5vgEennxPdJ10g/view?usp=sharing</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If problems,
contact me …<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Fun and
success,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Reindert<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> R. Voorhorst
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:R.Voorhorst@swabhawat.com">mailto:R.Voorhorst@swabhawat.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 17 November, 2021 10:07<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hecnet@Update.UU.SE">hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Robert Armstrong' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bob@jfcl.com"><bob@jfcl.com></a>; 'Peter
Lothberg' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:roll@stupi.com"><roll@stupi.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [HECnet] ANF10 network --> Kdp/Dup
--> recipe for 8 Dups<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The following
recipe enables 8 dups:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In simh in
Pdp10_defs.h: </span><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#818181">#define
</span><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#6F008A">DUP_LINES
</span><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">8 </span><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#008100">/*
max # of DUP11's */<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">and rebuild the
pdp10.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#008100"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#008100">In
Tops10: </span>Edit NETPRM.MAC in the monitor build
tree, usually in [10,7,MON], and modify: MXNDUP==^D8<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">
from ^D2 and reassemble NETPRM and D8KINT and replace it in
TOPS10.REL.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:36.0pt;text-autospace:none">In
SYSCNF.MAC locate M.KDUP and modify as follows<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi">M.KDUP==:10<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi">;; Type of
line for KDP0 (ANF10,DECNET,USER,IBM) [<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi">;; This
question is asked for each KDP (KMC/DUP line) indicated in
the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi">;; previous
question. Type the name of the network product that the
line <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi">;; will
support.]: d<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi">M.0KDP==:2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi" lang="NL">M.1KDP==:2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi" lang="NL">M.2KDP==:2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi" lang="NL">M.3KDP==:2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi">M.4KDP==:1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi" lang="NL">M.5KDP==:1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi" lang="NL">M.6KDP==:1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi" lang="NL">M.7KDP==:1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:r_ansi">The above values
are for 4 Decnet and 4 Anf10 but that can be filled in
differently as needed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Then rebuild
the monitor.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Change the Simh
Pdp10 config file with the required settings set dup lines=8
and attach definitions for Dup0 to Dup7.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">That is all
there is to it; if the instructions are to sparse I will
expand them; patched files are overkill here as generally my
files have evolved further in version numbers and features and
undoing the unnecessary ones may lead to errors.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">The DN200 files
have to wait till next week as I have other obligations at the
moment.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Success,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Reindert<span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Robert Armstrong
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:bob@jfcl.com">mailto:bob@jfcl.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 16 November, 2021 21:33<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:R.Voorhorst@swabhawat.com">R.Voorhorst@swabhawat.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [HECnet] ANF10 network --> Kdp/Dup<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Reindert,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> Post the
details, please! Especially the TOPS10 patch. MONGEN
limits you to two lines on the KS, but even if I manually
edit the resulting SYSCNF.MAC file I still get errors when
building the monitor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> Are you also
running an ANF10 network?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE">owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE">mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>R.
Voorhorst<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 16, 2021 12:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hecnet@Update.UU.SE">hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [HECnet] ANF10 network -->
Kdp/Dup<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">L.S.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It is quite
easy to expand this; currently I run 8 lines from the
Kdp/dup and it works quite well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It needs a
slight adaptation in Simh and another in Tops10, but you
have to rebuild the monitor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Reindert<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE">owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE">mailto:owner-hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert
Armstrong<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 16 November, 2021 17:34<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hecnet@Update.UU.SE">hecnet@Update.UU.SE</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [HECnet] ANF10 network<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Supratim and I (with some help and
encouragement from Peter) have set up an ANF10 network between
the TOPS10 nodes VENTI and TWONKY. If you haven’t heard of
it, ANF10 (short for “A Networking Feature” – yes, really!)
predates DECnet (I’m pretty sure, although I’m sure there will
be debate about that) and provides mostly the same functions –
remote terminals, file transfer, etc. ANF10 also has remote
RJEs with card readers, line printers and terminal
concentrators.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Courier New",serif">.net/anf<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Courier New",serif">[ANF10
network: connected to VENTI(20), located at VENTI(20), 2
nodes]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Courier New",serif">Node
VENTI (20) SIMH KS10 VENTI 7.04 NET 14-Nov-21<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Courier New",serif">Node
TWONKY (37) SIMH KS10 TWONKY 7.04NET 15-Nov-21<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> It’s possible to run ANF10 and DECnet
both, and that’s what we’re doing so TWONKY and VENTI are also
available on HECnet. If anybody else has a TOPS10 system and
would like to connect it would be nice to add a few more
nodes, but there is a problem. TOPS10 supports a maximum of
two KDP/DUP lines on the KS10, and you need one for DECnet and
the other for ANF10. That means each system can talk to at
most one other ANF10 system, which limits the network size to
two nodes. Bummer…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> There are a few options available –<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span
style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span>DEC made some DNxx
PDP-11 boxes that supported multiple ANF10 connections. We
could set up one of these as a router.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span
style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span>Somebody could hack
TOPS10 to allow more than two DUP lines.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span
style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span>Somebody could write a
pyDECnet type gizmo that speaks ANF10.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">And there might be others that I haven’t
thought of yet. Any ideas?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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