[Pollinator] [beemonitoring] Scare Tactics?

Wed Feb 10 12:01:32 PST 2016

Would someone please contact the NY Times, then, and point out the error?
I did it last time when a bumblebee story had a photo of a Xylcopa.  Hey,
I'm on sabbatical and can't do everything around here.

Peter

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 1:25 AM, 'ahworkerb at aol.com' AHworkerB at aol.com
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> And how many times do we see syrphid 'bees?'
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> Ann Harman
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> Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.
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> Isn't science reporting great!  The low person on the totem pole has to do
> it, and too many of them haven't a clue.
> Shame.
> A.
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> Anita Collins, Ph.D.
> Research Geneticist, USDA, ARS, Bee Research, retired
> Adjunct Professor, Pennsylvania State University, Entomology
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> If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research.
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> On 02/09/16, Jack Neff jlnatctmi at yahoo.com [beemonitoring]<
> beemonitoring-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> The DWV story made it to the science section of todays NY Times.
> Unfortunately the accompanying picture is of a syrphid fly.  A rather
> unlikely carrier.
>
> best
>
> Jack
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> On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 12:16 PM, "'Harris, Mary A [NREM]'
> maharris at iastate.edu [beemonitoring]" <b
> eemonitoring-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> A group of us at ISU looked at presence of viruses on several species of
> native bees (non Bombus) and disease manifestation following injection of
> virus.
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> Mary Harris, Ph.D.
> Natural Resources Ecology and Managemen t
> maharris at iastate.edu
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> On Feb 9, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Lisa Horth <lisahorth at gmail.com> wrote:
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> We have also recently found DWV in Bumble bees (in VA) but as John P
> comments, we cannot yet comment on pathogenicity. We are in the proc ess of
> the quantification now.
>
> Lisa
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> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:29 AM, John Purdy <johnrpurdy at gmail.com> wrote:
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> It would be good if those who announce the finding of viruses that are new
> or in new species could hold to a standard of sci ence reporting that
> includes confirmation of both replication and pathogenicity.  The first of
> these is easy once the RNA sequence is known but the second takes some
> effort. Viruses can be complicated. there is no merit in "crying wolf", but
> on the other hand we have experiences like Zika virus which was considered
> insignificant until the possibility of a major pathogenic outcome arose.
>
> The other problems in working with viruses is the lack of diagnostic
> symptoms and the lack of quantitative thresholds for the results of
> molecular methods of detection.
>
> For interest, I have attached a PDF of a USDA bulletin from 1914 that
> describes the symptoms of viruses. Viruses must have been a new phenomenon
> at the time,but the knowle dge have been forgotten and rediscovered several
> times since then. Notice how similar they are to the symptoms described for
> pesticide poisoning.  A troubling ambiguity.
>
> John Purdy, PhD
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> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Stoner, Kimberly <Kimberly.Stoner at ct.gov>
> wrote:
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> Hi Russel and others,
> Deformed wing virus and black queen cell virus have been found in some
> species of bumble bees here in the US.  We collected Bombus impatiens and
> sent them off to John Burand at the University of Massachusetts as part of
> a larger project and he found both of these viruses in our bumble bees from
> several different locations (pumpkin/squash fields) around Connecticut.
> Others have also found honey bee viruses in other bees.
>
> Finding these viruses with PCR is not the same as showing that they
> replicate or are pathogenic in bumble bees.  That has been shown with DWV
> and  B. terrestris in the UK, but not yet with US species, to my knowledge.
> Kim
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> *From:*beemonitoring at yahoogroups.com [mailto:beemonitoring at yahoogroups.com
> ]*On Behalf Of *Russel Barsh rlbarsh at gmail.com [beemonitoring]
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 06, 2016 11:40 PM
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> pollinator at lists.sonic.net>; Graham Pyke <Graham.Pyke at uts.edu.au>;
> Gerardo Camilo <camilogr at slu.edu>; James Trager <James.Trager at mobot.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [beemonitoring] Scare Tactics?
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> Peter --
> We read the underlying article in S CIENCE and yes, I think the press
> story you cited is implying that DWV is the sole or principal cause of
> colony collapse, and that its spread is a consequence of global
> bee-keeping. The underlying article argues from phylogenetic data that DWV
> is an ancestral disease of honeybees, but that its transmission has been
> facilitated by Varroa mites as carriers. Living with a beekeeping and
> honey-making family (my in-laws on the islands here), I hear stories all
> the time about sloppy inexperienced beekeepers that don't take proper
> measures to control mites. So the story may have been better titled "Sloppy
> beekeeping facilitates transmission of DWV worldwide".
> I'm much more disturbed by the evidence published in NATURE in 2014 for
> honeybee viruses jumping to bumblebees. We really need to do more
> collecting of wild bees and genomic screening for viruses such as DWV that
> could be spread by domesticated and commercialized bees to wild species.
>
> I've been collecting wild herring (a whole different side of my science
> life) for colleagues at USGS here that are studying viral epidemics in fish
> that may be transmitted up the food chain i.e. from small fish to their
> predators. It's an angle I would like to help launch in the study of
> pollinator networks.
> Thanks for throwing a spotlight on misleading reportage...
>
> Russel.
> Russel
> Russel Barsh
> Director, KWIAHT
> PO Box 415, Lopez Island WA 98261
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> On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 3:18 AM, Peter Bernhardt bernhap2 at slu.edu
> [beemonitoring] <beemonitoring-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Please go to the following link.  Do you think the media is overdoing it,
> just a bit, or is the situation as grim as they make it?  Some sites are
> referring to the virus as a man-made (vs. man spread) disease.
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> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160204150617.htm
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