<div dir="ltr">Dear Gord:<div><br></div><div>Oh yes, there's a BIG gap between academics and the general public. It's the reason I turned to writing popular books 25 years ago (with very limited results). Steve Buchmann's upcoming book (The Reason for Flowers) will fill in gaps but the information our organizations have needs to be spread beyond publishing houses and Kindle. My original email on this topic has been bandied about but no one has really answered the question. What do we do when presumably well-meaning businesses or public institutions spread inaccurate information? How should I approach Whole Foods with basic information like...</div><div><br></div><div>a) A bee hotel is made of hollow reeds, not mulch or garden debris, and most bees aren't interested in them anyway.</div><div><br></div><div>b) If you do make one keep them out of the reach of small children as such hotels are almost invariably colonized by wasps.*</div><div><br></div><div>c) To grow wildflowers follow the instructions on the packet. You're not going to have much success overcrowding seeds in small, shallow cups that lack a drainage hole.</div><div><br></div><div>Ed Spevak has a big public outreach program on pollinators at the St. Louis Zoo and it works at several levels because different techniques are used to interest people in different age groups. I look forward to his comments. </div><div><br></div><div>* Jack, I correspond with Dr. Alcock and used to correspond with the late Howard Ensign Evans so I know that wasps are are fascinating, beautiful, economically important and some are important pollinators (see my paper on Paeonia brownii). The public needs to know, though, that if their gardens cater to wasps be prepared to lose some of those nice butterflies and moths as their caterpillars will be converted to meat pastes by diligent foragers. </div><div><br></div><div>Peter</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Odo Natasaki <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:odonatas@uvic.ca" target="_blank">odonatas@uvic.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Michael,</div><div><br></div><div>The same applies to odonates (compared to bats), but mostly I enlighten people about odonates being "dragons" on the wing and they will even be cannibalistic given the chance. </div><div><br></div><div>I agree that there is a lot of "mal-information" when it comes to passing information to the general public, but at least some of us are trying to do it properly. I've noted quite a disconnect between some academics and the general public. That's where I like to come in for instance.</div><div><br></div><div>Gord Hutchings<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br><div>Sent from my iPhone</div>On Apr 26, 2015, at 9:56 AM, "<a href="mailto:askartie@aol.com" target="_blank">askartie@aol.com</a> [beemonitoring]" <<a href="mailto:beemonitoring-noreply@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">beemonitoring-noreply@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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</font></p><div><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">I have to agree with Dave. Sometimes misguided information can be a
problem. We see this in the mosquito world a lot. I often hear of
websites quoting some statistic that bats can eat 2000 mosquitoes in one
night. Well, sure if they are in a room with nothing but mosquitoes (I
would probably eat a bunch too if placed in such quarters), but in the real
world we know that optimal foraging will have them chasing down noctuid moths
and other juicer morsels - why eat a piece of popcorn when there is steak flying
around? However, because of that one statistic, there are people who think
the best way to eliminate mosquitoes is to put bat boxes everywhere.
Ah...if only it were that simple. I love bats (and the various insects and
arachnids that actually use the bat boxes since the bats rarely do in most parts
of the world), and am glad that people are becoming aware of the importance of
bats in nature. Unfortunately, the misguided education sometimes prevents
the use of effective mosquito control methods. If there are ways to
present the same information in a manner that is effective, we should encourage
that instead. Dave's "Things to Do" list makes a lot more sense than
sending people home with a ball of sticks and a plant that won't survive.
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<div>In a message dated 4/26/2015 9:18:01 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">I
believe there is a strategic dance between awareness and misguided
education.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Peter
is right that Whole Foods, at this particular store, is potentially teaching
poor bee management techniques. However, they are enlightening their
customers that there are more bees than the one. …and if someone asks
“where is the honey stored?”, the store clerks might be able to add “not all
bees make honey and there are a lot of bees out in our yards that are
endangered.” That’s potentially the end of their knowledge. Adding
a few flowers, though possibly ineffective, provides something easy that a
person can do. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">The
first step of actually reaching the public with this small bit of information
is wonderful.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Whole
Foods, from what I understand, is based on independent stores making
independent decisions. Thus, I surmise that Peter found the only store
in all of Whole Foods that had this one approach. The employees are
empowered to make differences… I don’t think it’s a top down education
program.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Two
paths that my team will be taking on in the next few
months.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Create
an infographic that could be forwarded to the various Whole Foods
districts. It will have simple awareness bullets as well as simple “what
you can do to help the pollinators” tips. We’ll try to have this
distributed prior to Pollinator Week that <a href="http://pollinator.org" target="_blank">pollinator.org</a>
founded.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">An
example might be:<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Symbol;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span>·<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Most
of our 4,000 native bee species nests in the ground<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Symbol;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span>·<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Not
all bees make honey<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Symbol;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span>·<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">There
are other bees that are superior pollinators than
others.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Symbol;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span>·<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Most
of the bees are solitary and are gentle… less likely to sting
you.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Things
to do:<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Symbol;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span>·<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Remove
a portion of your lawn and add some native flowers<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Symbol;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span>·<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Have
flowers in bloom from as early as possible to late in the season as
possible<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Symbol;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span>·<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Try
growing some food<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Symbol;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span>·<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Try
raising hole-nesting bees<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Symbol;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span>·<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Use
one less chemical in your yard<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Symbol;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span>·<span style="FONT:7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</span></span></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Leave
portions of your yard without mulch/beauty bark for ground nesting
bees.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-LEFT:0in"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">While
this infographic may not reach all stores, and all stores may not have
employees that care enough to teach their customers, it will be a steady march
in the right direction of public awareness to our native
bees.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-LEFT:0in"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-LEFT:0in"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Peter,
thanks for this string.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-LEFT:0in"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-LEFT:0in"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt">If
anyone would like to help, please reach out to me.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060">Dave
Hunter<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060">O.
<a href="tel:425.949.7954" value="+14259497954" target="_blank">425.949.7954</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060">C.
<a href="tel:206.851.1263" value="+12068511263" target="_blank">206.851.1263</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060"><a title="http://www.crownbees.com/" href="http://www.crownbees.com/" target="_blank">www.crownbees.com</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060"> Click below to
hear the buzz!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a title="http://www.facebook.com/CrownBees" href="http://www.facebook.com/CrownBees" target="_blank"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;BACKGROUND:white;FONT-SIZE:9pt;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><image004.jpg></span></b></a><a title="http://pinterest.com/crownbees" href="http://pinterest.com/crownbees" target="_blank"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;BACKGROUND:white;FONT-SIZE:9pt;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><image005.png></span></b></a><a title="http://twitter.com/#!/crownbees" href="http://twitter.com/#!/crownbees" target="_blank"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial',sans-serif;BACKGROUND:white;FONT-SIZE:9pt;TEXT-DECORATION:none"><image006.jpg></span></b></a><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri',sans-serif;COLOR:#002060;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri',sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri',sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:11pt">
<a href="mailto:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com</a> [<a href="mailto:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">mailto:beemonitoring@yahoogroups.com</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Jack Neff <a href="mailto:jlnatctmi@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jlnatctmi@yahoo.com</a> [beemonitoring]<br><b>Sent:</b>
Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> Peter Bernhardt; Bee United;
Pollinator List-serv; Ed Spevak<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [beemonitoring] Should
we tell them?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
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see nothing wrong with setting out "bee hotels" as they are a step to
increasing awareness. If nest sites aren't limiting in the area, they
won't do much for bee populations but they won't hurt. More likely
various eumenines, pompilids and sphecoids will set up shop and these are
all generally considered beneficial (unless one is a big fan of caterpillars,
spiders or crickets). The only wasp predators of bees (Philanthus) are
ground nesters. Eventually such hotels will attract nest parasitoids and
if unmanaged, become unsustainable, but this happens at reused natural
nest sites as well.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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L. Neff<br>Central Texas Melittological Institute<br>7307 Running
Rope<br>Austin,TX 78731 USA<br><a href="tel:512-345-7219" value="+15123457219" target="_blank">512-345-7219</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
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Sunday, April 26, 2015 8:51 AM, "Peter Bernhardt <a href="mailto:bernhap2@slu.edu" target="_blank">bernhap2@slu.edu</a>
[beemonitoring]" <<a href="mailto:beemonitoring-noreply@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">beemonitoring-noreply@yahoogroups.com</a>>
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Whole Foods store in the last couple of weeks? A week ago I went in to
buy a piece of fish. When I entered the vegetable section I was
greeted by two women who announced that "Pollinators are Endangered." I
was invited to make a "bug hotel" to attract them to my garden. Yes,
they were assembling twigs and broken stalks into balls secured by wire.
I told them that the most recent publication on these bee motels is that they
were not good for bees (most are ground nesters) and were more likely to
attract bee predators like certain wasps. One of the Whole Food
Employees was miffed. She snapped, "Good, I love
wasps."<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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the store more employees stood by a table offering tiny, shallow, pots the
circumference of 50 cent pieces. There was dry, potting medium in the
pots and they threw seeds of some composite (probably a coreopsis) on the
surface."Would you like to learn how to garden with wildflowers and help our
pollinators?" one asked. "I already garden with wildflowers," I
replied. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p style="BACKGROUND:white" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Helvetica',sans-serif;COLOR:black"> "Well," if you
go inside they will show you how to make a bug hotel." I repeated pretty
much what I'd said to the hotel makers. I also suggested they might join
NAPPC and explained the acronym. It seemed best to leave and not tell
them that those seeds wouldn't do very well in such a tiny, shallow
pot.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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the Whole Foods employees are quite young and they are always full of
advice. Would it be possible for us to offer them accurate
information? Currently, the St. Louis Zoo does a very nice job educating
its members about pollinators during pollinator week in June. Our lab
puts up posters, exhibits boxes of specimens. We sell some of our books and
photos. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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