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<div>Isn't science reporting great! The low person on the totem pole has to do it, and too many of them haven't a clue.<br>
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<div>A group of us at ISU looked at presence of viruses on several species of native bees (non Bombus) and disease manifestation following injection of virus.</div>
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<div class="yiv8754585925class">On Feb 9, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Lisa Horth <<a class="yiv8754585925classparsedEmail" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="mailto:lisahorth@gmail.com">lisahorth@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="yiv8754585925class" dir="ltr">It would be good if those who announce the finding of viruses that are new or in new species could hold to a standard of sci
ence reporting that includes confirmation of both replication and pathogenicity. The first of these is easy once the RNA sequence is known but the second takes some effort. Viruses can be complicated. there is no merit in "crying wolf", but on the other hand we have experiences like Zika virus which was considered insignificant until the possibility of a major pathogenic outcome arose.
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<div class="yiv8754585925MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8754585925class" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Deformed wing virus and black queen cell virus have been found in some species of bumble bees here in the US. We collected Bombus impatiens and sent them off to John Burand at the University
of Massachusetts as part of a larger project and he found both of these viruses in our bumble bees from several different locations (pumpkin/squash fields) around Connecticut. Others have also found honey bee viruses in other bees.<u class="yiv8754585925class"></u><u class="yiv8754585925class"></u></span></div>
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<div class="yiv8754585925MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8754585925class" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Finding these viruses with PCR is not the same as showing that they replicate or are pathogenic in bumble bees. That has been shown with DWV and B. terrestris in the UK, but not yet with US species, to my knowledge.<u class="yiv8754585925class"></u><u class="yiv8754585925class"></u></span></div>
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CIENCE and yes, I think the press story you cited is implying that DWV is the sole or principal cause of colony collapse, and that its spread is a consequence of global bee-keeping. The underlying article argues from phylogenetic data that DWV is an ancestral disease of honeybees, but that its transmission has been facilitated by Varroa mites as carriers. Living with a beekeeping and honey-making family (my in-laws on the islands here), I hear stories all the time about sloppy inexperienced beekeepers that don't take proper measures to control mites. So the story may have been better titled "Sloppy beekeeping facilitates transmission of DWV worldwide".<u class="yiv8754585925class"></u><u class="yiv8754585925class"></u></div>
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screening for viruses such as DWV that could be spread by domesticated and commercialized bees to wild species. <br class="yiv8754585925class" clear="none"><br class="yiv8754585925class" clear="none">I've been collecting wild herring (a whole different side of my science life) for colleagues at USGS here that are studying viral epidemics in fish that may be transmitted up the food chain i.e. from small fish to their predators. It's an angle I would like to help launch in the study of pollinator networks.<u class="yiv8754585925class"></u><u class="yiv8754585925class"></u></div>
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