<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Citizen science can't attain the same standards as professional science. Even field or lab technicians are seldom included as authors of papers their work contributed to. Furthermore the internet provides access to all information under the guise of being "uncurated" when posted items are actually curated by their popularity using the selector algorithms and the unavoidable artificial intelligence (AI) summary consolidates the information regardless of quality. The result of this combination of outcomes is that any opinion posted, even disinformation now has equal status to expert knowledge and judgement. I have found that AI is really bad at science and overrated. I recommend that people do not use ai except where they are intentionally using it within a controlled context. This is a crisis for science; a return to the world as it was before Fancis Bacon, and Francois Huber.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Considering citizen science and pollinator monitoring, I think this is a very important opportunity to reintroduce scientific methods and the habits of critical thinking to a wide range of motivated people. Peter mentioned birds being more familiar to nonspecialists. The birdwatching community acts to educate people as they strive to identify species, and they help each other. Similarly when someone takes an interest in insect pollinators they immediately take a positive attitude toward insects and take more notice of the plants they pollinate. This can be encouraged into a lifelong path of learning the identities of as many plant and animal species as they can. Thus the citizen science projects benefit everyone.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">In the process, it is essential for participants to have good guidance and to understand their capabilities. A study should not attempt to cover all species at once, but should select what is doable as volunteers learn. A well designed and communicated study plan will start with a clear problem formulation or hypothesis, time schedule, a statement of scope and the required abilities of participants, e.g. Participant documents should ask "can you distinguish bees from wasps or flies?" or "Can you take good insect photos", etc. There should be clear, easy to use data recording forms to avoid missing information. There should be a schedule of activities. There should be teaching/training components and evaluations of proficiency and diligence with encouraging feedback before the actual data collection starts and the plan should be robust enough to allow for the departure/replacement of volunteers. Participants should sign and date their work and include their location.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">More could be added but this is sufficient to get the framework of a well planned and executed project.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">It can be done well.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">John Purdy</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"> </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 7:05 PM Peter Bernhardt via Pollinator <<a href="mailto:pollinator@lists.sonic.net">pollinator@lists.sonic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Kit:<div><br></div><div>The nice thing about citizen science for tracking pollinators in Australia is that we needn't depend on insect projects right this minute. You're right,, how can people without entomological training, nets and taxonomic monographs track Australian bees, syrphid flies, Christmas beetles etc.? Ah, but you could have a citizen science program revolving around bird pollinators first, right? Depending on whom you cite, bird pollinators in Australia cover at least 5 families. Many species come into cities and suburbs and they forage on native plant species that have been brought into cultivation (banksias, eucalypts, kangaroo paws, grevilleas) as well as those plants surviving in suburban reserves. Here comes the good part. There are plenty of dependable field guides for Australian birds, Furthermore, ABC Science has brought urban birds to the attention of its viewers (see link below) and it wouldn't take much effort to slant citizens to watch and report on the number of lorikeets, red wattlebirds and silveryes on their local Eucalyptus ficifolia. Yes, I know you want people to report native bees but you have to start somewhere.</div><div><br></div><div> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EA3VNP2vJM&t=5s" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EA3VNP2vJM&t=5s</a> </div><div><br></div><div>Peter Bernhardt</div><div>Research Assoc. The Missouri Botanical Garden, Saint Louis MO </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 2:00 PM <<a href="mailto:pollinator-request@lists.sonic.net" target="_blank">pollinator-request@lists.sonic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Pollinator mailing list submissions to<br>
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Subject: [Pollinator] National citizen science monitoring of native<br>
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Hi Beeple,<br>
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I've been thinking about national citizen science monitoring protocols for<br>
Australia and would like to hear anyone's experience and opinion on the<br>
following please;<br>
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Citizen science is of course a powerful tool for documenting invasive<br>
species, or range extensions, but when it comes to monitoring, how can we<br>
assess data in a way that ensures we get robust monitoring data?<br>
<br>
In Australia there is an Australian pollinator count which is not designed<br>
well at all for monitoring. It's based on people choosing a plant (any<br>
plant) in spring and autumn recording for just 10 mins on this one day<br>
twice a year (and could be a different plant species) how many insects in<br>
pre-defined and poorly defined categories (e.g. there's no category for<br>
Neopasiphaeinae, Hylaeinae and Euryglossinae, who are lumped into 'other<br>
native bees', despite making up about one quarter of native bee<br>
biodiversity, then there's 'stingless bees' (11 species), 'blue banded<br>
bees' (14 species, but one doesn't have bands let alone blue bands) and<br>
then 'other Australian bee'; ladybird beetle (which probably aren't<br>
pollinators), 'native wasp' (with a photo of a non-native wasp :s),<br>
European wasp , and 'butterfly, moth or skipper' (somehow skippers are not<br>
butterflies?). Anyway, I don't see how anyone can possibly track the<br>
abundance or diversity of native bees and other insects based on two 10 min<br>
observation periods in the year .<br>
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But for citizen science monitoring as a whole;<br>
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The first issue is identifications - even with photos where we can verify,<br>
it is impossible for many species to get accurate IDs, and with photos,<br>
it's unlikely you'll photo every bee on a plant if it's an attractive plant<br>
with many visitors.<br>
So you're going to get mainly insects that are easy to photograph, and not<br>
get an abundance estimate, just a presence and not know whether it's one or<br>
20.<br>
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Then there is the issue of disentangling how many people are recording - if<br>
we see an increase in a taxon, is it just because more people are making<br>
observations?<br>
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So for those involved in POMS or any of the other UK/Ireland/USA monitoring<br>
projects on large scales, how can you actually get a handle even on coarse<br>
levels (e.g. of a higher taxonomic group like Halictidae) of their<br>
abundance when it is confounded by how many people are making observations?<br>
You could average number of that taxon observed over 10 mins by number of<br>
observers, but it still makes it tricky to actually know how the abundance<br>
of that taxon is doing, especially if you've got different areas being<br>
recorded each time.<br>
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My observation is that citizen science is best suited for tracking<br>
populations of an easy to identify, single species, documenting range<br>
extensions, changes in phenology, but is less suited for monitoring of<br>
populations. However, there is way more funding in Australia for citizen<br>
science than professional science monitoring of native bees, so I really<br>
want to ensure that given the push for the former, we can actually get a<br>
good handle on how our native bees are doing, not just how many people are<br>
making recordings over time.<br>
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Best,<br>
Kit<br>
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Dr Kit Prendergast<br>
Native bee scientist, conservation biologist and zoologist<br>
University of Southern QLD Postdoctoral Researcher (Pollination Ecology)<br>
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