[HECnet] Attaching to hecnet

[Joe Ferraro]

Hans,

Make sure you have libpcap-devel installed. I'm not looking at the bridge code at the moment, but you'll obviously want to make sure that you are pointing to your libpcap libraries when you do the compile. 

$ rpm -qa |grep -i libpcap   # determine if packet cap libs are installed

Cheers,

Joe



On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 12:51 PM, H Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Johnny, as soon as I've figured out how this works I'll write a manual for
you :-)
But you've got to guide me through the entire painful process first.
I had to shut down my Fedora 9 workstation because of the heat.
The error messages I got while attempting to compile the source were all
related to 'pcap'. Any suggestions?

Hans

PS
Later in the evening when the system is up again I'll post more information.

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Johnny Billquist
Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 9:50

Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet

You don't need "your own" port number. You need a port number. You are
free to pick any that isn't used by something else on your system.

That said, 4744 works just as fine as anything else, including 4711. As
Sampsa pointed out, you can use 4711 as well, if you want to. It only
needs to be unique on your system. What ports I (or anyone else) is
using, does not affect you more than that you have to have that
information in your conf-file.

Your own port number is specified on the command line, as mentioned as well.

Oh, and the reason you haven't seen a manual about the bridge program is
because I've never written one. :-)
Feel free to contribute... ;-)

           Johnny

H Vlems wrote:
> OK, I understand that part (I think) of the bridge program.
> I wasn't aware that I'd need my own port number. I'll opt for 4744, if
that
> is alright.
> Do I need to configure this somewhere (like in the .conf file)?
> Hans
>
> PS
> My apologies for all these questions but I haven't seen a manual about the
> bridge program....
>
>
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> Johnny Billquist
> Verzonden: donderdag, juli 2010 15:45
> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet
>
> Hi.
>
> H Vlems wrote:
>> OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf
> file
>> that I can use?
>
> Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no.
>
> However, it should look something like this:
> ================
> [bridge]
> local <your ethernet interface name>
> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711
> [decnet]
> local
> update
> =================
>
> And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea.
>
>> My external IP address is:
>>
>> Name:      osmium.homeip.net
>> Address:   87.209.50.192
>
> That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also
> need to know what port number you will be using.
>
>> I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that
> be
>> for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??)
>
> Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-)
> (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not
> know...)
>
> And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic
> between your box, at whatever port you are using, and
> psilo.update.uu.se:4711. And this is UDP traffic.
>
>          Johnny
>
>> Hans
>>
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>> Johnny Billquist
>> Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16
>> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
>> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet
>>
>> Hi, Hans.
>>
>> H Vlems wrote:
>>> OK Johnny, talk to me :-)
>>> This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to
>>> HECnet.
>>> 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge
software
>>> and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address
>> 1.1010.
>>
>> That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to
>> connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to
>> try.
>>
>>> 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in
>> area
>>> 44.
>>> I'd like to try that connection without the linux system.
>> You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case.
>> Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I
>> don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up.
>>
>> Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet
>> does it?
>>
>>> Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large
> unknown
>>> factor from the equation (the linux box).
>> Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to.
>>
>>> So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work?
>> Someone to connect to...
>>
>>         Johnny
>>
>>> Hans
>>>
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>>> Johnny Billquist
>>> Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03
>>> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
>>> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet
>>>
>>> H Vlems wrote:
>>>> What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity
>>>> between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's
> routing
>>>> will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is
>>>> limited by the phase III host :-)
>>> I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC

>>> never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it.
>>>
>>>> But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III
>>>> system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate?
>>> Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems.
>>>
>>>> I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf
file
>>>> work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this
>>> work?
>>>
>>> Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to
>>> use to test.
>>> But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge
>>> running, to act as the remote end.
>>>
>>>       Johnny
>>>
>>>> Hans
>>>>
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Namens
>>>> Johnny Billquist
>>>> Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02
>>>> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet
>>>>
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> H Vlems wrote:
>>>>> DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III.
>>>> Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase
>>>> III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I
don't
>
>>>> think anyone around is running phase III anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and
>>>> phase
>>>>> V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on
>>>> Alpha,
>>>>> and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-)
>>>> True, as far as that goes.
>>>> However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV
>>>> area router.
>>>>
>>>> Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could
not
>
>>>> be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell
an
>
>>>> Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to.
>>>>
>>>> However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-)
>>>>
>>>> And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember
>>>> (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as
>>>> well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another
>>>> machine with DECnet+?
>>>>
>>>>> Two questions:
>>>>> 1-May I use area 44?
>>>> Sure.
>>>>
>>>>> 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to
HECnet?
>>>> Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu?
>>>> My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html) only have
information
>
>>>> about the bridge.
>>>>
>>>>      Johnny
>>>>
>>>>> Hans
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>>>>> Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
> Namens
>>>>> Marc Chametzky
>>>>> Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04
>>>>> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet
>>>>>
>>>>>> DECnet-Plus isn't
>>>>>> able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can
>>>>>> potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues
>>>>>> with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included
>>>>>> VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase
> IV,
>>>>>> all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST.
>>>>> It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet
Phase
>
>>>>> III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase
>>>>> IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Marc
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