[HECnet] Area 44 - update

[H Vlems]

Hi Kari, a long time ago (summer of '79) I participated on a student
exchange program set up between the technical universities of Poznan (PL)
and Eindhoven (NL). I was the chemist in the dutch team of 4 and did some
work on a fertilizer factory north of Poznan. We lived in a student
dormitory and met people from all over Europe, including a sizeable group of
Finnish students. They introduced us to the sauna, and since warm water had
been turned of (it was summer) that was marvelous news to us. They also came
up with more interesting concepts, like drinking wodka and trying to learn
Polish. I remember mentioning that 7 cases was rather difficult and
(obviously) the Fins dropped off their chairs laughing (that's where ROTFL
comes from). They tried to explain Finnish grammar and I am sure that gave
me the headache, not the wodka :-)

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Kari Uusim  ki
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Hans,

Interesting that you find Finnish beautiful. I've heard that before, but 
about song lyrics.
Finnish grammar is widely considered complex. I think that is due to the 
fact that its structure differs considerably from most other languages. 
One main difference is that pre- or postpositions aren't used at all but 
word endings instead.
E.g. house = talo; in(side) the house = talossa ; into the house = 
taloon ; out of the house = talosta ; at the house = talolla ; without a 
house = talotta ; his house = talonsa.
Btw. Finnish has 14 casi. :)

The newest elements are syntethic an instable in normal conditions (NTP) 
AFAIK.

Kari




On 12.7.2010 20:54, H Vlems wrote:
Ummm, Kari let me start with the statement that Finnish is a beautiful
language, quite often spoken by equally beautiful women. But it didn't
strike me as a simple language ;-) rather full of words with many
syllables!
In terms of chemical elements though, Finnish tends to drop the 'h' (e.g.
Tulium instead of Thulium) which brings a few elements within reach.
And Unbium was new to me as well (I'm a chemist but when I was at school
the
periodic table ended at 104, Rf!
Hans

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There are the Finnish names for the elemants:

http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luettelo_alkuaineista

Some are short but most are too long.



On 11.7.2010 1:15, H Vlems wrote:
G  ran, that is an interisting list because it offers new possibilities.
The noble gasses work well in dutch, just like the halogens.
Group 6 is interesting. I use OXYGEN and Seleen. But obviously Tellur is
ok
too (is Tellurium in dutch).
Bi is Bismuth in dutch. Vismut works for DECnet.
Current nodes have names and these remain the same even when the area
changes. See my website for a list of names: home.zonnet.nl/hvlems
The collection is ever expanding so I'm always in need of new nodenames.
Thanks for the suggestions,
hans
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Swedish is also a language, not to distant from the Dutch... (though the
3 letters not beeing US-ASCII -            takes some words out of the
possible list of DECnet node names)

He       Helium
Ne       Neon
Ar       Argon
Kr       Krypton
Xe       Xenon
Rn       Radon

F       Flour
Cl     Klor
Br     Brom
I         Jod
At     Astat

O       Syre
S         Svavel
Se     Selen
Te     Tellur
Po     Polonium

N       Kv  ve
P         Fosfor
As     Arsenik
Sb     Antimon
Bi       Vismut

C       Kol
Si       Kisel
Ge     Germanium
Sn     Tenn
Pb     Bly

B       Bor
Al     Aluminium
Ga   Gallium
In       Indium
Tl       Tallium


For those mentioned in Russinan, to compare:

B       Bor
N       Kv  ve
Ne     Neon
S         Svavel
Cr     Krom
Br       Brom
Xe       Xenon
U       Uran

Have a "happy naming cermony", whatever names are chosen   ;-)

/G  ran

On 2010-07-10 18:39, H Vlems wrote:
It is too much of an effort to publish all the names of the elements in
dutch and compare them to their russian equivalents.
I can augment your list though:

6OP	(B)	boor (borium, easily confused with Bohrium)
A3OT	(N)	stikstof, or azote in french
HEOH	(Ne)	neon
CEPA	(S)	zwavel (in polish is this sarkow [after kwas
sarkowy,
sulphuric acid?])
XPOM	(Cr)	chroom
6POM	(Br)	broom
KCEHOH	(Xe)   xenon
YPAH	(U)	uranium, which gets abbreviated to uraan

I used that trick with Se and As ; selenium and arsenicum are
abbreviated
to
seleen and arseen.


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On 10.07.2010 16:39, H Vlems wrote:

Area 44 will be extended today with the following 6 nodes:

FLUOR	44.29   	Alpha Server 1000A 5/333	VMS 7.3-2
BROOM   44.14	Alpha Server 1200 		VMS 7.3-2
IJZER   44.19	Compaq Prof. Workstation	VMS 8.3
TIN       44.28	Alpha Server 1200			VMS 8.3
CARBON 44.33	DEC AXP 3000 MODEL 300x		VMS 1.5-1H1
OXYGEN 44.34	DEC AXP 3000 MODEL 300x		VMS 6.1


done.


Any suggestions for names of elements that are 6 characters or less, in
other languages?

Some of russian names :)

6OP	(B)
A3OT	(N)
HEOH	(Ne)
CEPA	(S)
XPOM	(Cr)
6POM	(Br)
KCEHOH	(Xe)
YPAH	(U)
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