INFO.TXT, was Re: [HECnet] UPDATE: HECNET.HLP file for VMS systems

[hvlems at zonnet.nl]

Thanks for trying Johnny!
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On 2012-12-31 17:56, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Yes, I meant the original.
Did you try it or predict the outcome?

Just predicted. But here you go:

..nft x.y=legato::info.txt;1
.dsp x.y

DU4:[DECNET]X.Y;1
                                                Size:       8./35.                   Created: 31-DEC-2012 17:58
                                                Owner:     [007,014]             Revised: 31-DEC-2012 17:58
                                                File ID: (124,21,0)           Expires: <none_specified>
    File protection:           System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:R, World:R
    File organization:       Sequential
    File attributes:           Allocation=35, Extend=0
    Record format:               Stream, no maximum defined
    Record attributes:       Carriage return

..edt x.y
Input file could not be opened
File name:DU4:[DECNET]X.Y;1
IE.BTP - Bad record type

EDT don't understand Stream either. Very few tools in RSX do, since most 
things use FCS, and FCS don't have the stream format. It's only RMS that do.

In order to get it manageable in RSX, I do:

..nft x.y=legato::info.txt;1/as
.dsp x.y

DU4:[DECNET]X.Y;2
                                                Size:       8./8.                     Created: 31-DEC-2012 18:01
                                                Owner:     [007,014]             Revised: 31-DEC-2012 18:01
                                                File ID: (126,7,0)             Expires: <none_specified>
    File protection:           System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:R, World:R
    File organization:       Sequential
    File attributes:           Allocation=8, Extend=0
    Record format:               Variable length, no maximum defined
    Record attributes:       Carriage return

And then I can edit it, or play with it in any form. However, each line 
ends with a LF.

	Johnny


-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
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Subject: Re: INFO.TXT, was Re: [HECnet] UPDATE: HECNET.HLP file for VMS systems

On 2012-12-31 17:46, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Johnny, what happens if you feed the file to EDT ?

You mean the original, Stream_CR file?
EDT will be totally unimpressed, and refuse.

	Johnny

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Onderwerp: Re: INFO.TXT, was Re: [HECnet] UPDATE: HECNET.HLP file for VMS systems
Verzonden: 31 december 2012 17:39

On 2012-12-31 17:20, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
"Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> writes:

      It's been a few years since I edited that file, but there's about a
95% probability that it was created and edited with Gnu EMACS for VMS.
The only other possibilities are EDT or EVE, and I'm pretty sure those
both create VFC text files rather than stream.

      Looking around at other stuff that I've edited with EMACS on LEGATO, I
see that they also have similar record formats.   I've never had a
problem using text files that I edited with EMACS with any VMS utility,
so I'm not sure why you've got issues.

VMS can process of of the RMS file formats is support.   It would appear
that this one format is one that RSX does not.

I think that VMS is lying to itself in this case, and VMS is buying it.
A file with Stream_CR, and not a single CR in the file... What would you
expect the result to be?

(Or rather, Emacs is lying to VMS, and VMS is buying it.)

However, when feeding that file over DECnet, the result looks ugly, so
the FAL in VMS isn't totally falling for the lie. :-)

	Johnny