[HECnet] NOTES system?

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2013-02-25 20:46, Clem Cole wrote:
While I understand the emotion on this, one of the main SW guy the
vt-100 is an old friend (and screwed up the layout of two keyboards at
Masscomp after to he screwed up the vt-1xx series too IMH).   Tom used to
say, the only real issue is keyboard layout because the rest is "just SW"

The other issue is that while the original VT-100 used ANSI sequences,
it was actually not ANSI.   DEC released the terminal before the ANSI was
complete and there are a number of places where VT-100s differ from
sequences.   So this also becomes an issue (and part of what Cory is
pointing out).

But the truth is a number of firms did parrot the VT-100 family
sequences bug-for-bug.

The problem is as Tom, says the unless you have a DEC keyboard layout,
you are mapping something and that tends the be source of much discomfort.

Yes, certainly there are always issues with different keyboards. No helping that.

However, things like iTerm2 don't even produce correct output given escape sequences.
And yes, the VT100 predates ANSI, but it's not really incompatible, but there are a bunch of DEC private sequences, that are not in the ANSI spec.
I'm not aware of any incompatibilities with the ANSI spec, but feel free to point them out to me.

	Johnny


Clem

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net
<mailto:b4 at gewt.net>> wrote:



      --
      Cory Smelosky
      Sent from a mobile device

      On 25 Feb 2013, at 13:58, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
      <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:

        > On 2013-02-25 18:06, Clem Cole wrote:
        >> check out http://www.iterm2.com
        >
        > Would not recommend. It's perhaps a good terminal application,
      but not if you want something that is even a fair VT100 emulation.

      The only good VT100 emulation is a real VT100. ;)

        >
        >       Johnny
        >
        >>
        >> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com
      <mailto:sampsa at mac.com>
        >> <mailto:sampsa at mac.com <mailto:sampsa at mac.com>>> wrote:
        >>
        >>       If someone has a config file for OS X Terminal.app I'd cry with
        >>       happiness.
        >>
        >>       sampsa
        >>
        >>       On 25 Feb 2013, at 11:58, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl
      <mailto:e.olofsen at xs4all.nl>
        >>       <mailto:e.olofsen at xs4all.nl <mailto:e.olofsen at xs4all.nl>>> wrote:
        >>
        >>         > Just in case it may be helpful for someone using xterm, I put
        >>       together
        >>         > some well known keyboard translations below. The keypad is
      such
        >>         > that it will work with EDT; the PLUS key will then be DEL C.
        >>         > F9-12 may be used on a laptop and NOTES, and they as below
      they
        >>         > correspond to SELECT, NEXT UNSEEN, BACK TOPIC, and NEXT TOPIC:
        >>         >
        >>         > xterm     -sl 1000 -fn 7x14 -g 132x48 -xrm \
        >>         >               'XTerm*vt100.translations: #override \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>F9: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>F10: string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>F11: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>F12: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>BackSpace: string(0x7f) \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>Num_Lock: string(0x1b) string("OP") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_Divide: string(0x1b) string("OQ") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_Multiply: string(0x1b) string("OR") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_Subtract: string(0x1b) string("OS") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_Add: string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_Enter: string(0x1b) string("OM") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_Decimal: string(0x1b) string("On") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_0: string(0x1b) string("Op") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_1: string(0x1b) string("Oq") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_2: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_3: string(0x1b) string("Os") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_4: string(0x1b) string("Ot") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_5: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_6: string(0x1b) string("Ov") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_7: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_8: string(0x1b) string("Ox") \n\
        >>         >                   <Key>KP_9: string(0x1b) string("Oy")' \
        >>         >                   -e telnet <host>
        >>         >
        >>         >
        >>         > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 02:12:05PM -0500, Steve Davidson
      wrote:
        >>         >> Good question!   I just tried my PC keyboard from a PuTTY
        >>       terminal.   Some
        >>         >> of the functions map, others do not.   It looks like it will
        >>       depend on
        >>         >> what you are working with.
        >>         >>
        >>         >> -Steve
        >>         >>
        >>         >>> -----Original Message-----
        >>         >>> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
      <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
      <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>>
        >>         >>> [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
      <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
        >>       <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
      <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>>] On Behalf Of Erik Olofsen
        >>         >>> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 13:49
        >>         >>> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
      <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE>>
        >>         >>> Subject: Re: [HECnet] NOTES system?
        >>         >>>
        >>         >>> Related to using NOTES, before doing the discussion on
      NOTES,
        >>         >>> for using the keypad, how do the present HECnet users
      use the
        >>         >>> DEC keypad on non-DEC equipment?
        >>         >>>
        >>         >>> Erik
        >>         >>>
        >>         >>
        >