[HECnet] Joining HECNET

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2013-02-01 22:52, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
On a LAN without *any* DECnet routers all nodes are reachable irrespective of their DECnet address.
Once the first router comes on-line the mechanism fails.

Right.

HECnet is not running out of areas. But I feel it's pretty useless tot "claim" anarea for just 10 hosts.

We are getting close. We have currently allocated 39 areas out of 63.

The bridge program simulates a LAN and I feel that on a single LAN area routing may have its uses but not necessarily for us.
And even the routed links don't need to separate areas. That why level 1 routing exists.
Basically all our nodes fit in one area, perhaps 2.

In reality, all nodes known in HECnet fits without one area. For administrative purposes it makes a lot of sense to have more than one area, however.

But really, for people who only have a bunch of machines, and are happy running just endnodes, we really should just put that one in an existing area. Reserve something like 50 hosts at a time for such "subsections", and run with it. That's what I've done in area 1.

	Johnny

Hans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net>
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 16:29:56
To: Johnny Billquist<bqt at softjar.se>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>; Steve Davidson<jeep at scshome.net>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Joining HECNET


On 1 Feb 2013, at 16:27, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:

On 2013-02-01 22:22, Cory Smelosky wrote:

On 1 Feb 2013, at 16:21, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:

Steve, since Wolfgang indicated he wanted to run an endnode, you'll have to decide the area.

Am I the only one that thinks an area dedicated to just endnodes is a good idea?

Probably, since that would be impossible. An area needs atleast one area router... Or are you saying that you think we should set up one area for people who only want to run endnodes? That seems like going over the river to get water.

I was thinking more like that, yes.   I see your point though, maybe save that for when we're running out of areas.

Then everyone who wants to run an endnode needs to connect to some specific endpoint. And what for? There are absolutely no problems with having just an endnode anywhere.

That would get rather difficult, I see.


And since you need to have an area router, what is the problem of using an existing area router. Preferrably one close to you, and then just place your endnode in that area.

I am totally missing the point here, in which it seems people think that endnodes are somehow difficult. They are the simplest of DECnet nodes.

	Johnny



	Johnny

On 2013-02-01 22:11, Steve Davidson wrote:
Send me the following information (offline):

Your physical location: country at a minimum - this determines which Multinet router you will connect to

External dynamic - DNS name - this will be resolved every x number of minutes to maintain your link

DECnet area - this is used for naming the Multinet circuits

email address to send updates to (both external and internal (<node>::<username>))

-Steve

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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Wolfgang Eichberger
Sent: Fri 2/1/2013 02:30
To: Johnny Billquist
Cc: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Joining HECNET



Now as things settled I am back with my SimH/Vax (running 24/7 on a
raspberry pi) and my Alpha (an Alphastation 255 I newly aquired).
There are Decstations in Storage too (these odd MIPS Boxes) - maybe
one of these could be connected too - provided there's DECNet Support
in Ultrix.


There is. You just need to find the distribution.

Nice. I should have approbiate media and will give this a try.

You need to figure out who to connect to first, then we can fix the node
numbers. I have a terribly short memory. Who was it that could handle
Multinet with dynamic IP? Steve?
Care to help out? Also, Wolfgang, do you want to set a level 1 router, or do
you just epxect all your machines to be endnodes, and have each on have
their own link?

My memory isn't best too, so don't worry ;)

Primary intention is to bring up at least the simulated VAX 24/7. The
other machines would run on occasional basis. As my DecNET experience
is way too rusty best practice would be operating the simulated VAX as
Endnode for start.

It'd be greatly appreciated if Steve could help out with the Dynamic IP....

Regards,
  Wolfgang








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