There was a request for AXP/VMS V8.4 (and possibly for the associated two layered products cd's). They may be copied from TITAAN::DISK$AXPKITS:[AXPVMS084] Titaan is HECnet node 44.35 The DS20E is not cheap to run at Dutch kWhr prices.... Let me know when I can shut it off and turn on the central heating :) Hans