[HECnet] John Sundman's takes on Evgeny Morozov

[Clem Cole]

My  apologies   if some find this as spam, but I suspect this group might also find this a worth while read.

Full discloser, I have known John since 1983 or 1984 (I do not remember when we were co-worked at the firm he talks about in the  article  [Masscomp].    I have also read of number of his books and liked them.    In my role as President of USENIX, I allowed John to hawk his books at some of our conferences, but other than buying his books, I have never  given  him $s.  


http://my-thoughts-exactly.wetmachine.com/the-meme-hustler-hustler-evgeny-morozovs-stupid-talk-about-tim-oreilly/?goback=%2Egde_63734_member_245994140

Clem

Note:   I predated John at Masscomp (and I think he left for Sun before I left for Stellar).   I have mentioned previously on this list that MSCP was an early 1980s a start up with a lot of ex-VMS/VAX guys   (that predated Sun and actually did $20M in business the year Sun did it's first $1M)..    Tim, Janet and I shared a card table as our first desk.    I think John and Steve did get hired until we expanded to the 2 bldg in Littleton and kicked SW out.      Everything in the piece WRT to Masscomp I will valid as true, and like John; when I have run into Tim in the past few years I'm not sure he recognized me either [although unlike John, I do still exchange christmas cards with Steve Talbot and just two weeks ago got an email from Tim about something else].

I completely agree with John's point about about Eric Raymond too BTW.   And John   makes a side bar, that "open source" being co-opted from the 60s.    He's stumbled on that right.    I have always said the "father" of Open Source was the late Prof Donald O. Peterson (aka dop) from what he did in the late 1960s.   But that's a story for another time.