[HECnet] VMS question

Mon Aug 10 07:58:34 PDT 2015

On 2015-08-10 16:35, Hans Vlems wrote:
> A long time ago I replaced an 11/750 with an 8650. Users were initially ecstatic but soon grumbled that they lost several 20 min coffee breaks because even the slowest transaction on the 8650 was completed under 2 minutes.

:-)

> What I can remember of. 6000 model 4000 was that it had a fast XMI bus that held cpu's, memory, fast controllers (ci and the kdm‎) and connected to the BI bus(ses) that held the slower controllers.
> The 7000 didn't have that? I know that the 7000 was "alpha ready", which I think was a box swap.

It's similar, but laid out differently inside. The CPU and memory are on 
a but which I thinkg is called the laser bus. You then have XMI and 
possibly VAXBI as well.
I'm trying to remember, but I think both CI and Ethernet sits on XMI, 
but it might be that they also sits on VAXBI, which sits on XMI...

	Johnny

> Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
>    Origineel bericht
> Van: Johnny Billquist
> Verzonden: maandag 10 augustus 2015 16:22
> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
> Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] VMS question
>
> On 2015-08-10 16:18, Hans Vlems wrote:
>> Johnny, I hope you are not responsible to pay the power bill for that set up!
>
> Heh! :-)
> Well, no. The computer club is at Uppsala University. And they are
> friendly. People are welcome to visit, just let us know beforehand.
>
>> I've always liked the 8650, neat piece of equipment. Never seen a VAX 7000 ‎in my life, they're similar in appearance to a 6000?
>
> I love the 86x0 machines. Wonderful engineering. The 7000 looks pretty
> much the same as a 6000 on the outside. They are different when you open
> them up, though.
>
> Johnny
>
>>
>> Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
>> Origineel bericht
>> Van: Johnny Billquist
>> Verzonden: maandag 10 augustus 2015 16:09
>> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
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>> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] VMS question
>>
>> On 2015-08-10 15:41, Hans Vlems wrote:
>>> PPS
>>> The 7000 has kdm70's? What disks, RA90/92?
>>
>> No, SCSI.
>>
>> I might as well give the full hardware setup at Update, as there are
>> probably more people around amused by this.
>>
>> Update have one 7000-720 and one 8650 in the computer hall, in addition
>> to one PDP-11/70. (There are also other machines around, but mostly PC
>> stuff, and some SUN).
>>
>> The PDP-11/70 is MAGICA:: (Magica.Update.UU.SE), which I also brought up
>> two days ago. Magica have 3.5 meg of memory, ethernet, 4xRA73, RL02,
>> RX02, TU81, RK05. We should probably throw in an RK07 as well, and it
>> also have three massbuses. We have RP06, RP07, TU77 and TU78, but they
>> are not in the hall. But it's possible to hook things up if needed.
>>
>> The VAX-8650 have 60 Meg of memory, one SBI, one CI, two Unibuses,
>> ethernet, DMF-32 and two UDA-50. It has 8xRA73 hooked up for NetBSD, and
>> boots over CI for other software. It can run as Krille.Update.UU.SE
>> (NetBSD or VMS), or Zeke.Update.UU.SE (Ultrix)
>>
>> The 7000-720 have two CPUs (obviously) and 1.25 Gig of memory. It have
>> ethernet and CI.
>>
>> On the CI we also have HSJ40 controllers. We have a large storage works
>> cabinet, which actually have six HSJ40 setup as three redundant pairs.
>> Each pair have six shelves, and each shelve can fit six storage works
>> bricks. So we could (in theory) have 108 disks connected.
>> But in reality we only have 12 disks. We have a VMS distribution CD
>> dumped on one. We have an Ultrix system which uses two disks, and we
>> have two different VMS disks. One for a cluster, where both the 7000 and
>> the 8650 have separate systems, and one for the standalone VMS running
>> on the 8650, if we want that. We also have a HSC90 in storage, and a few
>> more racks of RA92 disks (and some other RA disks as well.)
>> The rest of the disks we're not using at the moment. I don't remember
>> exactly what model of SCSI disks we have. But they are approximately 2
>> Gig each.
>>
>>
>> We've spent the last week cleaning things up, reconnecting everything,
>> and fixing various issues. So now all this hardware is running. Which is
>> why you can also see that MAGICA:: is back online. We'll see if we can
>> keep the stuff running for now.
>>
>> (There is more fun stuff in our storage, but I won't bore you with it,
>> nor to mention what we've had to throw away over the years... :-( )
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>>>
>>> Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
>>> Origineel bericht
>>> Van: Johnny Billquist
>>> Verzonden: maandag 10 augustus 2015 15:12
>>> Aan: hecnet
>>> Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
>>> Onderwerp: [HECnet] VMS question
>>>
>>> I've way rusty on VMS, so I figured someone here can probably give me an
>>> answer way faster than I can figure it out myself.
>>>
>>> I brought SIGGE:: online two days ago. (VAX 7000-720). Started YCPIP
>>> services as well. Now the disk is full. I'm guessing some logging
>>> somewhere, as people are crazy about probing and poking. TELNET stopped
>>> working, but I can log in fine from DECnet or LAT.
>>> Can anyone tell me where logs go, and how to clean it up so I free some
>>> disk.
>>> Also, are there some known issue with the telnet server? If I telnet to
>>> the machine, it's just constantly spewing out one character. Probably 0xff.
>>>
>>> Johnny
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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