[HECnet] Connections?
Brian Hechinger
wonko at 4amlunch.net
Wed May 2 16:32:45 PDT 2018
On Wed, May 2, 2018, 16:43 Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
> On 2018-05-02 21:22, Brian Hechinger wrote:
> > The idea is to expand the cisco tunnel configuration management tool I
> > wrote to support multinet and the bridge.
>
> Understood.
>
> > Wherever there are endpoints (bridge, multinet) there would be an agent
> > that manages the config driven by a centralized system.
>
> Ok.
>
> > I was going to re-write the cisco tunnel one anyway, so figured why not
> > expand if people were interested.
> >
> > The nice part about this is the people who manage the "hubs" wouldn't
> > have to do anything. It would all be user self service driven.
> >
> > With the cisco tunnel thing I can just use SNMP to push config fragments
> > onto the routers. WIth the bridge and multinet that's not an option, so
> > a locally running agent would take up that work.
>
> Ok. So we're not talking about "generating" C code, but just a local
> agent is required, which can accept configuration information, and push
> that down to the configuration on the local machine.
>
Yes. Steve's "generate C" question was his ultra-nerdy way of asking if I
could write C. :)
> Why you ask? I automate things for a living. It's what I enjoy doing. :)
>
> We all do something for a living. I've certainly been dabbling in that
> are myself as well. :-)
>
There is nothing better than doing what you love for a living.
I mainly asked because my understanding from the comments was that you
> would be generating C code, which was pushed out. And that sounded very
> confusing to me. But now it sounds as if you are in fact talking about
> something else.
>
> You could just as well implement an SNMP agent on the systems, which you
> could then push configs through in the same way you do for the Cisco boxes.
>
Meh. I don't love that idea. An agent will be easy to do and for all
support platforms for Go would be easy to do and build.
The sticky wicket would be VMS, ultrix and anything else that isn't
"standard" today. Go can emit binaries for Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD,
etc but pretty much nothing for non-Intel, non-arm.
> Johnny
>
> >
> > -brian
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 5:12 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
> > <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
> >
> > On that topic, why would you be generating code? It's just a config
> > file that needs changing, and then a signal sent to the process.
> > (For the bridge).
> >
> > For multinet, it essentially would be a couple of configuration
> > commands under VMS or RSX. I don't get the "output 'C'" comment at
> all.
> >
> > Johnny
> >
> > On 2018-04-30 01:02, Brian Hechinger wrote:
> >
> > I can and that would probably be my fall back option.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 29, 2018, 18:45 Steve Davidson <steve at davidson.net
> > <mailto:steve at davidson.net> <mailto:steve at davidson.net
> > <mailto:steve at davidson.net>>> wrote:
> >
> > Can you output "C"?
> >
> > -Steve Davidson
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Apr 29, 2018, at 15:48, Johnny Billquist
> > <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
> > <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think I'd be
> > interested in any kind of automation like that for my
> > systems. I
> > prefer to know explicitly what I have.
> > >
> > > Johnny
> > >
> > >> On 2018-04-29 21:20, Brian Hechinger wrote:
> > >> Would anyone be interested in some manner of automation
> > for this
> > similar to what I do for the cisco tunnels?
> > >> Re-writing that in Go has been on my short list for a
> > while now.
> > Mayne now is the time to look to expanding it as well.
> > >> One of the things I was going to add was a web front
> > end so you
> > can all manage your own endpoints.
> > >> The bridge will be easy, I can write an agent that can
> > run there
> > to manage it as those are all unix boxes and so I should be
> > able to
> > generate binaries for that.
> > >> Multinet may be a tad trickier since Go doesn’t generate
> > binaries for VMS/RSX/etc so I may have to pick something
> > else there.
> > Not sure what I’d do.
> > >> Thoughts?
> > >> -brian
> > >>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Steve Davidson
> > <steve at davidson.net <mailto:steve at davidson.net>
> > <mailto:steve at davidson.net <mailto:steve at davidson.net>>>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I can do eastern US like I did the bridge. I have to
> > finish
> > the Tex build though...
> > >>>
> > >>> -Steve Davidson
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:23, Jeroen Brons
> > <idiotoflinux at gmail.com <mailto:idiotoflinux at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:idiotoflinux at gmail.com <mailto:idiotoflinux at gmail.com>>>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> i''m Also in the Netherlands, but because of my ISP
> > my IP isnt
> > exactly static (although it stays the same most of the
> > time...), and
> > as it's running at home im willing to run a bridge but i
> > cannot
> > guarantee uptime
> > >>>>> Op 29 apr. 2018, om 18:19 heeft Hans Vlems
> > <hvlems at zonnet.nl <mailto:hvlems at zonnet.nl>
> > <mailto:hvlems at zonnet.nl <mailto:hvlems at zonnet.nl>>> het
> > volgende geschreven:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Johnny
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> My connection to Hecnet is thru your site with your
> > bridge
> > program. It runs on a Fedora (17) system that also hosts
> > A44RTR.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> None of my systems run Multinet, and A44RTR runs
> > VAX/VMS V7.3
> > and DECnet phase IV. It may be converted to run phase V if
> that
> > would help you.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> My internet connection is ADSL2+ which translates to
> > 11 Mb/s
> > downstream and less than 400 kb/s upstream. Not bloody
> > useful as a
> > hub, then again Netherlands is not exactly in southern
> Europe.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hans
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Op 29 apr. 2018 om 17:52 heeft Johnny Billquist
> > <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
> > <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>> het volgende
> > geschreven:
> >
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Guys. I figure I should try to get a more formalized
> > handling of connections to HECnet.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> With my bridge, it's mostly just people connecting
> > to me,
> > but this is not a solution that scales very well, so in
> > general I
> > now try to discourage people from this option. When
> possible, I
> > prefer to move people away from it.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Multinet on the other hand scales well. And is
> > possible to
> > use directly both in VMS and RSX. However, it is silly and
> > inefficient if all multinet links are to go to me. So I'm
> > thinking
> > about identifying a few people/places elsewhere in the
> > world, which
> > can be used for connections where it makes more sense for a
> > somewhat
> > closer point of connection.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> So, I would go on dealing with Europe. Might at
> > some point
> > be that we'd like a second point in the south of Europe,
> > but that is
> > not a high priority right now.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> However, for the US, it would be nice if we could
> > identify a
> > location on each coast, which have a capable system, and
> > normally is
> > always online, and which have a good bandwidth, and would
> > be willing
> > to setup connections to new machines that want to come
> online.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> So, are there any takers? I'll continue to be the
> first
> > point of contact when people come asking, but I'd be happy
> if I
> > could redirect them to the appropriate person once we have
> > figured
> > out a few basic details.
> > >>>>>> And then these two persons can work on establishing
> the
> > actual link.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Johnny
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> > >>>>>> || on a psychedelic
> trip
> > >>>>>> email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
> > <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
> > || Reading murder books
> > >>>>>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to
> > stay hip" -
> > B. Idol
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> > > || on a psychedelic
> trip
> > > email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
> > <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> ||
> > Reading murder books
> > > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay
> > hip" - B. Idol
> >
> >
> > --
> > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> > || on a psychedelic trip
> > email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> ||
> > Reading murder books
> > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> || on a psychedelic trip
> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>
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