[HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 BASIC-2-PLUS problem

[Keith Halewood]

Yes, it’s 29.104 (Rossak)

210,1
demodemo

Keith

> On 17 Sep 2018, at 21:11, Steve Davidson <steve at davidson.net> wrote:
> 
> Keith,
> 
> Is your node on HECnet?  If so, can I login?
> 
> -Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> On Behalf Of Keith Halewood
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 14:25
> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
> Subject: RE: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 BASIC-2-PLUS problem
> 
> Thanks Steve,
> 
> Having a look around now.
> I've not been able to install Fortran-77 locally possibly due to a mangled tape image.
> 
> Keith
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Steve Davidson
> Sent: 17 September 2018 19:18
> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
> Subject: Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 BASIC-2-PLUS problem
> 
> You are welcome to login to Pluto::[200,200] to compare systems. 
> 
> -Steve
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 14:10, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>> 
>> Glad to hear that solved it.
>> 
>> I asked already from the start if it was BASIC+ or BASIC+2, because the difference is important.
>> 
>> And it really is BASIC+2, and not BASIC2+. :-)
>> 
>> As for why your installation happened that way, I have no clue. Did you install from the distribution tapes yourself, or is this some image someone else created and you got a copy from?
>> 
>> And did you use the proper installation tools, or did you extract files yourself from the tape and placed in various directories?
>> 
>> Johnny
>> 
>>> On 2018-09-17 20:05, Keith Halewood wrote:
>>> Thanks Johnny,
>>> It’s [1,2]bp2rfa.hlp and its protection was 48. I’ve set it to 40 and a non-privileged, non [1,*] account can now see help in the basic-2-plus env.
>>> The whole RSTS/E V10.1 and BASIC-2-PLUS installations are entirely default. Apart from adding DECNET/E and enabling LAT etc., nothing else should be other than default.
>>> Weird.
>>> Thanks again
>>> Keith
>>> *From:*owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Johnny Billquist
>>> *Sent:* 17 September 2018 18:36
>>> *To:* hecnet at Update.UU.SE; Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 BASIC-2-PLUS problem All that 
>>> said - if the op is actually using basic+2 then help is a builtin command in the interactive environment. Furthermore the basic+2 builtin help uses an extra file for fast lookups into the help file, so this additional file could also be the problem.
>>> I'd need to check when I'm back home what the exact name of this file is, but something like bp2hlp.rfa maybe?
>>> Johnny
>>> Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net <mailto:paulkoning at comcast.net>> skrev: (17 september 2018 16:38:37 CEST)
>>>   Command processing in RSTS depends on which runtime system (more precisely, "keyboard monitor") you're currently in.
>>>   If you're in DCL, standard DCL commands (like "copy") are understood.  "help" is another standard DCL command.
>>>   In most other runtime systems, like BASIC, there are a few built-in commands that relate more to the purpose of that runtime system (like "SAVE" or "OLD").
>>>   In addition, keyboard monitors normally understand any of the defined "system commands" -- also called "CCL commands".   Those are commands defined via the create command/system DCL operation, and you can see them with show command/system.  For example:
>>>   $ show com/sys
>>>   BCK-       =  SY:[  0,10 ]RMSBCK.TSK /LINE=0
>>>   BYE-       =  SY:[  1,2  ]LOGOUT.TSK /LINE=0    /PRIVILEGE
>>>   CNV-       =  SY:[  0,10 ]RMSCNV.TSK /LINE=0
>>>   DI-RECTORY =  SY:[  1,2  ]DIRECT.TSK /LINE=CCL  /PRIVILEGE
>>>   ...
>>>   In my system, "help" is not shown there, so while DCL knows it, other RTS would not.  If your system does respond to it, what is the command definition?
>>>   As for [0,2]help.tsk, that's a strange protection code.  Mine has <104> and I can see no reason why that program should be privileged.
>>>          paul
>>>       On Sep 17, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Keith Halewood <Keith.Halewood at pitbulluk.org <mailto:Keith.Halewood at pitbulluk.org>> wrote:
>>>       Hi Paul,
>>>                 Thanks for the info. Other than help.hlp, there is only help.tsk in [0,2] and it has protection <232> (privileged, execute, world readonly, group+owner read/write)
>>>       After a backup, I’ll do some further experimentation.
>>>                 Regards
>>>                 Keith
>>>                 From:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>  [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Paul Koning
>>>       Sent: 17 September 2018 14:01
>>>       To:hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
>>>       Subject: Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 BASIC-2-PLUS problem
>>>                           On Sep 14, 2018, at 5:26 PM, Keith Halewood <Keith.Halewood at pitbulluk.org <mailto:Keith.Halewood at pitbulluk.org>> wrote:
>>>                 Hi,
>>>                 I’ve been playing with RSTS/E for a short while, particularly BASIC PLUS. I’ve noted that, logged into account [1,2] I can issue HELP from within BASIC and it’s all fine. From a non-privileged account I created, HELP within BASIC gives me a ‘?Protection violation’ but it seems that all the .HLP files relevant to BASIC have the correct <40> file protection. Am I missing something? Any help would be appreciated.
>>>                 Regards,
>>>                 Keith
>>>                 "help" is most likely a CCL command -- a command defined, typically at startup, that is handled by executing a program.
>>>                 You're right that the actual content in in the *.hlp files, and they need to be protected <40> for that to work.  But in addition, the program that handles the command has to be executable by non-privileged users.  So look in [0,*] or [1,2] for a help.* file (help.tsk, help.bac, help.sav perhaps).  It has to be executable (64 bit set in the protection code).  So a typical protection code would be 104.
>>>                              paul
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