[HECnet] Why does MIM not list 23.1023 as a known node?

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2019-04-12 02:19, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2019-04-12 02:17, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> On 2019-04-12 02:02, Paul Koning wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 11, 2019, at 7:45 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2019-04-12 01:28, Supratim Sanyal wrote:
>>>>> Johnny - if I remember right, I have seen nodes with no names show 
>>>>> up at http://mim.update.uu.se/hecnet without names in brackets, for 
>>>>> my nodes when I haven’t told you to add them yet, or others too. no?
>>>>
>>>> "Known nodes" is a tricky thing. It might also be different for 
>>>> different OSes.
>>>
>>> It might be but it should not be.  The DECnet architecture specifies 
>>> precisely what the term means.
>>>
>>> Start with "active nodes": that means every node known to be reachable.
>>>
>>> Given that, "known nodes" is defined as the union of active nodes and 
>>> named nodes.  So a nameless node is known if it is shown as reachable 
>>> by routing data (or by having an active adjacency), but not otherwise.
>>
>> Well, that is obviously not what RSX shows...
>> And I doubt any system do. Because a node can never have any ideas 
>> what nodes are reachable in other areas. Which is exactly the thing 
>> about 23.1023.
>>
>> But I guess you could claim that 23.1023 is not *known* to be reachable.
>>
>> But RSX also show node that are known not to be reachable, and without 
>> names, if they have counters associated. Just tested that with Mim.
> 
> D'oh. Sorry. I managed to confuse myself.
> Known nodes does not show a node that have no name and is known to not 
> be reachable.
> 
> I guess your description of known nodes does match what RSX does, Paul.

Ah... Bloody hell. I double confused myself. RSX do show nodes without a 
name, and which are known to be unreachable, when you request known nodes.

My confused postings happened because when you do a output to a file 
from NCP in RSX, the output actually gets appended to a file, and does 
not create a new file, and I accidentally directed output to already 
existing files that had been done earlier with similar commands, so I 
was actually looking at old outputs... :-/

   Johnny

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