[HECnet] Decnet on RSX-11
Mark Matlock
mark at matlockfamily.com
Sat Jun 8 09:17:53 PDT 2019
Supratim,
#1 is easy:
wget http://rsx11m.com/PiDP11_DU0.zip
This is a RSX11M+ V4.6 sysgened for the PiDP-11/70 with most all the common programming languages including APL, DTR, BP2 V2.7, F77, etc.
wget http://rsx11m.com/PiDP11_DU1.zip
This is a 1.5 GB disk when upzipped that has all the RSX Sig tapes that are available as .dsk files that can be accessed with VCP.
On #2, my current home ethernet connection is dynamic and has some outages at times. My vacation / retirement home in Texas where I’ll be moving to in ~ September has gigabit fiber-optic internet on a static IP. That is where it would make sense to set up a redundant multinet TCP connection. I’ll probably be there around the 4th of July and perhaps we could set something up there then?
Best,
Mark
> On Jun 8, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Supratim Sanyal <supratim at riseup.net> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> 1) How does one get a copy of the “FRODO distribution”?
>
> 2) if possible, I would like a redundant MULTINET TCP connection to your area from IMPVAX which can be a server or a client.
>
> Best,
> Supratim
>
>
> ---
> Supratim Sanyal, W1XMT
> 39.19151 N, 77.23432 W
> QCOCAL::SANYAL via HECnet
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Kurt Hamm <kurt at hamm.me> wrote:
>
>> He has definitely said that more than once. I just wasn't getting it.
>>
>> Sorry about that Johnny.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 8:14 AM Mark Matlock <mark at matlockfamily.com> wrote:
>> Kurt,
>> As Johnny says you should read chapter 10 of [IP]README.DOC and run a NETGEN to add the IP HECnet device. I’ve attached a walk-through of a NETGEN that can help guide you but you should understand the information in chapter 10.
>>
>> You should have a unique DECnet node address for your system (from Johnny) to use instead of the one I supplied in the walk-through.
>>
>> Later when bringing up IP-0-0 in the [IPNET]INS.CMD I think you need a port # for attachment to MIM if that is where you are connecting to?
>>
>> Best,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 8, 2019, at 6:36 AM, Kurt Hamm <kurt at hamm.me> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks Johnny and thanks Mark. For some reason I thought that this was already done since IP was working.
>> >
>> > This is just what I needed to know to finish this thing off. I really appreciate the assistance.
>> >
>> > Kurt
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 5:32 AM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>> > Kurt, Mark is absolutely right.
>> >
>> > You do not have the IP line driver generated into DECnet.
>> >
>> > This is what I suspect quite a few mails back between us, and tried to
>> > point out.
>> >
>> > And do not try to just edit CEMAC.MAC to add those lines Mark mention.
>> > That will not work. You need to run through the DECnet generation
>> > process, and then the IPNET postprocessing step. It's all in the TCP/IP
>> > manual, if you read it.
>> >
>> > Johnny
>> >
>> > On 2019-06-08 05:58, Mark Matlock wrote:
>> > > Kurt,
>> > > I think you need to have the “IP" network device NETGENed into DECnet.
>> > >
>> > > The fact that you first error occurs at the NCP SET PROC IP TOP makes me think that DECnet does not have a driver for the IP device loaded. When I made the “Frodo” distribution available, I did a new SYSGEN for an 11/70 and also a NETGEN. In the NETGEN for the Unibus system a “UNA” was the ethernet device and on a Qbus system (the actual Frodo 30.1) a QNA device is used.
>> > >
>> > > It would be helpful if you typed out LB:[5,54]CETAB.MAC as it could confirm if the IP device has been NETGENed in or not. In CETAB.MAC the 3rd actual line of code should look like:
>> > >
>> > > PDV$DF <AUX,EVL,ECL,XPT,NCT,RTH,LAT,DLX>,<EPM>,<UNA,IP>
>> > >
>> > > Three lines below that should be:
>> > >
>> > > SLT$DF IP,IP,XPT,LF.TIM,0,0,,0.,0.,15.
>> > >
>> > > It’s been a while since I added the IP-0-0 LIN and Circuits to my system, but I try to do that to one of my PiDP-11s and post the walk through for it.
>> > >
>> > > Below I’ve put some information of the sequence of startup command files that may help you understand the files involved.
>> > >
>> > > In the LB:[1,2]STARTUP.CMD of the Frodo distribution RSX and DECnet are started as is normal for any RSX. It then chains to LB:[1,2]INSPROG.CMD which brings up the DU1: disk that you either download from RSX11M.COM or the Simh boot.ini will make a blank one.
>> > >
>> > > At the end of the INSPROG.CMD two questions are asked with timeouts. The first will load LAT and the second loads Johnny’s TCP/IP. It loads the TCP/IP by chaining to LB:[IP]IPINS.CMD which will load TCP/IP and either DHCP an IP address or set a static IP address. At the end of that file then LB:[IP]IPAPPL.CMD is executed which sets up FTP, TELNET, NTP and other applications.
>> > >
>> > > Now, in the Frodo distribution IPAPPL.CMD, there is a line that was either commented or deleted that chains to LB:[IPNET]INSHECNET.CMD which is used to link the actual node Frodo (HECnet 30.1) to MIM
>> > >
>> > > Your [IPNET]INS.CMD looks identical to the INSHECNET.CMD on Frodo including the host port # which may be something we need to change?
>> > >
>> > > Do you have a HECnet address from Johnny? Also, where are you planning to connect to HECnet?
>> > >
>> > > There is a [IPNET]INS.NEW which is the template that Johnny provides and it does not have a port specified on MIM. I don’t remember the exact mechanics on MIM That accepts connections but that may be a function of that port # Frodo connects to MIM on IP-0-10 but that is not specified on Frodo but on MIM.
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > > Mark
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> On Jun 7, 2019, at 9:35 PM, Kurt Hamm <kurt at hamm.me> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> So, I added this command to the startup.cmd: @LB:[IPNET]INS.CMD.
>> > >>
>> > >> I didn't modify the file yet. I wanted to see what it would do
>> > >>
>> > >> The result after rebooting was this:
>> > >>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCOM/UIC=[1,54]/PRO=[RW,RW,,]
>> > >>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTNET
>> > >>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCFG
>> > >>> NCP SET PROC IP TOP
>> > >> NCP -- Set failed, unrecognized component, Process
>> > >>> NCP SET LIN IP-0-* ALL
>> > >> NCP -- Set failed, invalid identification format, Line
>> > >>> MNC SHO VER
>> > >> Initialize common
>> > >> NT.IP not found. Exiting...
>> > >>> MNC SET CIR IP-0-0 TCA HOST MIM.UPDATE.UU.SE:7705 PORT 0
>> > >> Initialize common
>> > >> NT.IP not found. Exiting...
>> > >>> NCP SET CIR IP-0-0 STA ON
>> > >> NCP -- Set failed, invalid identification format, Circuit
>> > >>
>> > >> There are lots of errors, so I am not sure where to start.
>> > >>
>> > >> Any advice would be appreciated.
>> > >>
>> > >> Kurt
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
>> > || on a psychedelic trip
>> > email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
>> > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>>
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