[HECnet] Decnet on RSX-11
Johnny Billquist
bqt at softjar.se
Sat Jun 8 09:35:38 PDT 2019
Mark...
On 2019-06-08 18:25, Mark Matlock wrote:
> Kurt,
> You are getting close. You have a -26. (File not found) Error on the file LB:{5,54]IP.STB
Indeed.
> The IPGEN process should copy three files IP.STB IP.TSK and IP.TSK into LB:[5,54] but
> Since they are not there, you can copy them from [IPNET] to [5,54]
They are only copied if you answer YES to the related question when
running IPGEN.
There are actually a couple of more files installed. I can't remember
now if any might be optional, but anyway:
PIP [5,54]/NV=[IPNET]*.DAT,IP.TSK,IP.STB
PIP [5,24]/NV=[IPNET]IP.OBJ
LBR [130,10]NETLIB.MLB/RP=[IPNET]IPDF.MAC
You should then run the NETGEN procedure after these files have been
copied, and then NETGEN should run fine, and then you run
[IPNET]IPNEY.CMD after NETGEN have completed. Then you can try starting
DECnet, and once DECnet is started, you can try bringing up the DECnet
over IP lines.
Johnny
>
> Best,
> Mark
>
>
>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:04 AM, Kurt Hamm <kurt at hamm.me> wrote:
>>
>> Well, this was really good information. Mark, the walk-through was extremely helpful. I feel like I am almost there.
>>
>> There is something I am missing related to the final step. I added this line to the end of startup.cmd: @LB:[IPNET]INS.CMD. Not sure if that is the correct way to call that CMD file.
>>
>> I am not exactly sure about the content changes especially the ports:
>> MNC SET CIR IP-0-0 TCA HOST 192.168.1.49:7705 PORT 0
>> NCP SET CIR IP-0-0 STA ON
>>
>> When I run [ipnet]ins.cmd:
>>> @LB:[IPNET]INS.CMD
>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCOM/UIC=[1,54]/PRO=[RW,RW,,]
>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTNET
>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCFG
>>> NCP SET PROC IP TOP
>> NTL -- IP Symbol Table File -- Open Failure (-26.)
>> NTL -- LB:[5,54]IP.STB
>> NCP -- Set failed, operation failure
>> Network Loader function failed
>>> NCP SET LIN IP-0-* ALL
>> NTL -- IP Symbol Table File -- Open Failure (-26.)
>> NTL -- LB:[5,54]IP.STB
>> NCP -- Line IP-0-0, Set failed, operation failure
>> Network Loader function failed
>> NTL -- IP Symbol Table File -- Open Failure (-26.)
>> NTL -- LB:[5,54]IP.STB
>> NCP -- Line IP-0-1, Set failed, operation failure
>> Network Loader function failed
>>> MNC SHO VER
>> Initialize common
>> NT.IP not loaded. Please load before running this tool.
>>> MNC SET CIR IP-0-0 TCA HOST 192.168.1.49:7705 PORT 0
>> Initialize common
>> NT.IP not loaded. Please load before running this tool.
>>> NCP SET CIR IP-0-0 STA ON
>> NCP -- Set failed, component in wrong state, Line
>>> @ <EOF>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 8:34 AM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>> In addition to the information and transcript Mark provided, do not
>> forget to run the post-processing script from IPNET after completing the
>> NETGEN procedure. It will modify the DECnet configuration somewhat to
>> more correctly handle the IP lines.
>>
>> And no, Kurt is not connecting directly to Mim, but possibly just
>> between his own machines, and otherwise being hooked up to area 31.
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>> On 2019-06-08 14:13, Mark Matlock wrote:
>>> Kurt,
>>> As Johnny says you should read chapter 10 of [IP]README.DOC and run a NETGEN to add the IP HECnet device. I’ve attached a walk-through of a NETGEN that can help guide you but you should understand the information in chapter 10.
>>>
>>> You should have a unique DECnet node address for your system (from Johnny) to use instead of the one I supplied in the walk-through.
>>>
>>> Later when bringing up IP-0-0 in the [IPNET]INS.CMD I think you need a port # for attachment to MIM if that is where you are connecting to?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 6:36 AM, Kurt Hamm <kurt at hamm.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Johnny and thanks Mark. For some reason I thought that this was already done since IP was working.
>>>>
>>>> This is just what I needed to know to finish this thing off. I really appreciate the assistance.
>>>>
>>>> Kurt
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 5:32 AM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>>>> Kurt, Mark is absolutely right.
>>>>
>>>> You do not have the IP line driver generated into DECnet.
>>>>
>>>> This is what I suspect quite a few mails back between us, and tried to
>>>> point out.
>>>>
>>>> And do not try to just edit CEMAC.MAC to add those lines Mark mention.
>>>> That will not work. You need to run through the DECnet generation
>>>> process, and then the IPNET postprocessing step. It's all in the TCP/IP
>>>> manual, if you read it.
>>>>
>>>> Johnny
>>>>
>>>> On 2019-06-08 05:58, Mark Matlock wrote:
>>>>> Kurt,
>>>>> I think you need to have the “IP" network device NETGENed into DECnet.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact that you first error occurs at the NCP SET PROC IP TOP makes me think that DECnet does not have a driver for the IP device loaded. When I made the “Frodo” distribution available, I did a new SYSGEN for an 11/70 and also a NETGEN. In the NETGEN for the Unibus system a “UNA” was the ethernet device and on a Qbus system (the actual Frodo 30.1) a QNA device is used.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be helpful if you typed out LB:[5,54]CETAB.MAC as it could confirm if the IP device has been NETGENed in or not. In CETAB.MAC the 3rd actual line of code should look like:
>>>>>
>>>>> PDV$DF <AUX,EVL,ECL,XPT,NCT,RTH,LAT,DLX>,<EPM>,<UNA,IP>
>>>>>
>>>>> Three lines below that should be:
>>>>>
>>>>> SLT$DF IP,IP,XPT,LF.TIM,0,0,,0.,0.,15.
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s been a while since I added the IP-0-0 LIN and Circuits to my system, but I try to do that to one of my PiDP-11s and post the walk through for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Below I’ve put some information of the sequence of startup command files that may help you understand the files involved.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the LB:[1,2]STARTUP.CMD of the Frodo distribution RSX and DECnet are started as is normal for any RSX. It then chains to LB:[1,2]INSPROG.CMD which brings up the DU1: disk that you either download from RSX11M.COM or the Simh boot.ini will make a blank one.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the end of the INSPROG.CMD two questions are asked with timeouts. The first will load LAT and the second loads Johnny’s TCP/IP. It loads the TCP/IP by chaining to LB:[IP]IPINS.CMD which will load TCP/IP and either DHCP an IP address or set a static IP address. At the end of that file then LB:[IP]IPAPPL.CMD is executed which sets up FTP, TELNET, NTP and other applications.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, in the Frodo distribution IPAPPL.CMD, there is a line that was either commented or deleted that chains to LB:[IPNET]INSHECNET.CMD which is used to link the actual node Frodo (HECnet 30.1) to MIM
>>>>>
>>>>> Your [IPNET]INS.CMD looks identical to the INSHECNET.CMD on Frodo including the host port # which may be something we need to change?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have a HECnet address from Johnny? Also, where are you planning to connect to HECnet?
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a [IPNET]INS.NEW which is the template that Johnny provides and it does not have a port specified on MIM. I don’t remember the exact mechanics on MIM That accepts connections but that may be a function of that port # Frodo connects to MIM on IP-0-10 but that is not specified on Frodo but on MIM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 9:35 PM, Kurt Hamm <kurt at hamm.me> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I added this command to the startup.cmd: @LB:[IPNET]INS.CMD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't modify the file yet. I wanted to see what it would do
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The result after rebooting was this:
>>>>>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCOM/UIC=[1,54]/PRO=[RW,RW,,]
>>>>>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTNET
>>>>>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCFG
>>>>>>> NCP SET PROC IP TOP
>>>>>> NCP -- Set failed, unrecognized component, Process
>>>>>>> NCP SET LIN IP-0-* ALL
>>>>>> NCP -- Set failed, invalid identification format, Line
>>>>>>> MNC SHO VER
>>>>>> Initialize common
>>>>>> NT.IP not found. Exiting...
>>>>>>> MNC SET CIR IP-0-0 TCA HOST MIM.UPDATE.UU.SE:7705 PORT 0
>>>>>> Initialize common
>>>>>> NT.IP not found. Exiting...
>>>>>>> NCP SET CIR IP-0-0 STA ON
>>>>>> NCP -- Set failed, invalid identification format, Circuit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are lots of errors, so I am not sure where to start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kurt
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
>>>> || on a psychedelic trip
>>>> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
>>>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
>> || on a psychedelic trip
>> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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