[HECnet] Oldest VAX/VMS for VAX-11/730 on HECNET

Wed Dec 8 16:14:53 PST 2021

This was attempted with John Dundas' VMS 3.0 distribution towards the 
end of March, 2020. The last email I have from
Reindert is below.

It looks there is some decnet on the disk.
Exec list gives phase-III router:

$ mc ncp
NCP>show exec char

Node Volatile Characteristics as of 21-MAR-2020 15:16:42

Executor node = 0

Identification           = DECnet-VAX V3.0,  VMS V3.0
Management version       = V3.0.0
Incoming timer           = 45
Outgoing timer           = 45
NSP version              = V3.2.0
Maximum links            = 32
Delay factor             = 64
Delay weight             = 2
Inactivity timer         = 60
Retransmit factor        = 10
Routing version          = V1.3.0
Type                     = routing
Routing timer            = 600
Maximum address          = 1
Maximum circuits         = 0
Maximum cost             = 1023
Maximum hops             = 31
Maximum visits           = 63
Maximum buffers          = 2
Buffer size              = 1000
Default access           = incoming and outgoing

So ..... playtime ....?

R.V.

-----Original Message-----
From:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE  [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of R. Voorhorst
Sent: Saturday, 21 March, 2020 14:48
To:hecnet at Update.UU.SE; 'Ray Jewhurst'<raywjewhurst at gmail.com>; 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Cc: 'simh'<simH at trailing-edge.com>; 'John Dundas'<dundas at caltech.edu>
Subject: RE: [HECnet] VAX/VMS 3.0 Distribution Available for Download --> boot on Vax8600/50

Boot on Vax8600:

HK0: 'F:\Shares\Distribution\VMS\Vms_30\VAXVMSV3.0-26APR1982\vmsv30.rk07' Contains ODS2 File system
HK0: Volume Name: VAXVMSRL3    Format: DECFILE11B   Sectors In Volume: 53790
sim> b hk0
Loading boot code from internal vmb.exe

%SYSBOOT-W-ECO or microcode version less than minimum required for VMS.
%SYSBOOT-E-Unable to locate file SYSLOA
SC.EXE
HALT instruction, PC: 0000325A (CLRQ R8)
sim>

So some work to do or not (very well) possible.

So it will run on Vax11/780 the original workhorse from then.
Somewhere a Decnet-3.0 around for Vms to make it complete?

Best regards,
R.V.

-----Original Message-----
From:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE  [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Paul Birkel
Sent: Saturday, 21 March, 2020 13:56
To: 'Ray Jewhurst'<raywjewhurst at gmail.com>; 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'<cctalk at classiccmp.org>;hecnet at update.uu.se
Cc: 'simh'<simH at trailing-edge.com>; 'John Dundas'<dundas at caltech.edu>
Subject: RE: [HECnet] VAX/VMS 3.0 Distribution Available for Download

According to the Release Notes it works on the 11/750 and 11/730 as well.
See: AA-D015D-TE
https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_decvaxvms3leaseNotesV3.0May82_5458871/mode/2up

-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ray Jewhurst via cctalk
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:34 AM
To:hecnet at update.uu.se
Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts; simh; John Dundas
Subject: Re: [HECnet] VAX/VMS 3.0 Distribution Available for Download

 From 1982 I see. I know that this will run on the 780/785 but what about the other VAX-11s or the 8600? I am purely a simulator and have never used the real thing and I am not sure what years the models in question were released. Sorry if my questions seem ignorant.

Ray

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 8:08 AM Supratim Sanyal<supratim at riseup.net>  wrote:

> John Dundas' distribution of VAX/VMS version 3.0 (April 1982) can now
> be downloaded from my Dropbox.
>
> The SYSTEM password is MANAGER.
>
> Note: Dropbox does not force you to create an account, if you look
> carefully you will see a "Continue to view" link at the bottom of that
> pop-up.
>
> Here's what it boots into:
>
>
>     VAX/VMS Version V3.0 26-APR-1982 16:21
>
>
> PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY  HH:MM) 21-MAR-2020 11:58
> %JBC-I-NEWQUEUE, new queue file created %OPCOM, 21-MAR-2020
> 11:58:34.51, logfile initialized by operator OPA0
>           logfile is SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG
>     Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
>     SYSTEM       job terminated at 21-MAR-2020 11:58:39.91
>
> Username: SYSTEM
> Password:
>           Welcome to VAX/VMS version V3.0 $ $
>
> Grab it fromhttps://bit.ly/vaxvms30
>
> Regards,
> Supratim
>
> --
> Supratim Sanyal, W1XMT
> 39.19151 N, 77.23432 W
> QCOCAL::SANYAL via HECnet
>
>

On 12/8/21 7:00 PM, Tony Nicholson wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 10:25 AM Mark J. Blair <nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
>
>     I'm trying to find the oldest VAX/VMS version which:
>
>     * Supports DECnet Phase IV over ethernet
>     * Supports the VAX-11/730
>     * I can get my hands on images of the OS installation and anything
>     (licenses?) needed for DECnet Phase IV
>
> [snip]
>
>     I have not found any scans of the DECnet-VAX Software Installation
>     Guide or the DECnet-VAX System Manager's Guide yet, and I don't
>     know what needs to be done to install and/or configure DECnet in
>     such an old VMS version. I see that stuff related to DECnet is
>     present after installation, such as STARTNET.COM
>     <http://STARTNET.COM> and NCP.EXE, but DECnet-VAX is referred to
>     as an optional component which must be licensed separately. I
>     gather from discussions elsewhere that there may be at least one
>     critical file missing that serves as the "license" for DECnet-VAX?
>
>
> The VAX/VMS DECnet license "key" for old versions (V4.7 and prior) 
> came in the form of a saveset (on a TK50 or magtap) that you 
> installed.  It did a binary patch on the NETACP.EXE image to enable 
> things. There are separate versions for routing and end-node 
> configurations.
>
> The thing that bothers me running old versions of VAX/VMS is the lack 
> of Y2K updates.  You will probably need to boot with a date last 
> century (subtract 28 years to get matching calendar days) to avoid 
> some gotchas.  For VAX/VMS V3.0 there may have been some mandatory 
> upgrade patches too.
>
> I have the VAX/VMS V4.7 mandatory patches and DECnet "key" for a 
> routing node should you need them.
>
> Tony
>
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