[HECnet] Oldest VAX/VMS for VAX-11/730 on HECNET
dave.g4ugm at gmail.com
dave.g4ugm at gmail.com
Wed Dec 8 23:58:19 PST 2021
We installed 4.2 on the 8600 at the British Geological Survey at Keyworth, so from
http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/4670/1/BGSPresentation.pdf
"Oracle first introduced to BGS in 1983 running under VMS 4.2
on a VAX 8600 computer with 12Mb memory, 2.7 Gb disk
space. User Interface was Oracle Forms and SQLPlus"
Dave
G4UGM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> On
> Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
> Sent: 09 December 2021 01:26
> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
> Subject: Re: [HECnet] Oldest VAX/VMS for VAX-11/730 on HECNET
>
> Trying to boot VMS V3 on an 8600 will not work. That machine didn't exist yet
> back then. V4.something was when 8600 support was added.
>
> (Possibly V4.7)
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2021-12-09 01:14, Supratim Sanyal wrote:
> > This was attempted with John Dundas' VMS 3.0 distribution towards the
> > end of March, 2020. The last email I have from Reindert is below.
> >
> > It looks there is some decnet on the disk.
> > Exec list gives phase-III router:
> >
> > $ mc ncp
> > NCP>show exec char
> >
> >
> > Node Volatile Characteristics as of 21-MAR-2020 15:16:42
> >
> > Executor node = 0
> >
> > Identification = DECnet-VAX V3.0, VMS V3.0
> > Management version = V3.0.0
> > Incoming timer = 45
> > Outgoing timer = 45
> > NSP version = V3.2.0
> > Maximum links = 32
> > Delay factor = 64
> > Delay weight = 2
> > Inactivity timer = 60
> > Retransmit factor = 10
> > Routing version = V1.3.0
> > Type = routing
> > Routing timer = 600
> > Maximum address = 1
> > Maximum circuits = 0
> > Maximum cost = 1023
> > Maximum hops = 31
> > Maximum visits = 63
> > Maximum buffers = 2
> > Buffer size = 1000
> > Default access = incoming and outgoing
> >
> > So ..... playtime ....?
> >
> > R.V.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
> hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
> > Behalf Of R. Voorhorst
> > Sent: Saturday, 21 March, 2020 14:48
> > To:hecnet at Update.UU.SE; 'Ray Jewhurst'<raywjewhurst at gmail.com>;
> > 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
> > Posts'<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> > Cc: 'simh'<simH at trailing-edge.com>; 'John Dundas'<dundas at caltech.edu>
> > Subject: RE: [HECnet] VAX/VMS 3.0 Distribution Available for Download
> > --> boot on Vax8600/50
> >
> > Boot on Vax8600:
> >
> > HK0: 'F:\Shares\Distribution\VMS\Vms_30\VAXVMSV3.0-
> 26APR1982\vmsv30.rk07' Contains ODS2 File system
> > HK0: Volume Name: VAXVMSRL3 Format: DECFILE11B Sectors In Volume:
> 53790
> > sim> b hk0
> > Loading boot code from internal vmb.exe
> >
> > %SYSBOOT-W-ECO or microcode version less than minimum required for
> VMS.
> > %SYSBOOT-E-Unable to locate file SYSLOA SC.EXE HALT instruction, PC:
> > 0000325A (CLRQ R8)
> > sim>
> >
> > So some work to do or not (very well) possible.
> >
> > So it will run on Vax11/780 the original workhorse from then.
> > Somewhere a Decnet-3.0 around for Vms to make it complete?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > R.V.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
> hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
> > Behalf Of Paul Birkel
> > Sent: Saturday, 21 March, 2020 13:56
> > To: 'Ray Jewhurst'<raywjewhurst at gmail.com>; 'General Discussion:
> > On-Topic and Off-Topic
> > Posts'<cctalk at classiccmp.org>;hecnet at update.uu.se
> > Cc: 'simh'<simH at trailing-edge.com>; 'John Dundas'<dundas at caltech.edu>
> > Subject: RE: [HECnet] VAX/VMS 3.0 Distribution Available for Download
> >
> > According to the Release Notes it works on the 11/750 and 11/730 as well.
> > See: AA-D015D-TE
> >
> https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_decvaxvms3leaseNotesV3.0May82_54
> > 58871/mode/2up
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ray
> > Jewhurst via cctalk
> > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:34 AM To:hecnet at update.uu.se
> > Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts; simh; John
> > Dundas
> > Subject: Re: [HECnet] VAX/VMS 3.0 Distribution Available for Download
> >
> > From 1982 I see. I know that this will run on the 780/785 but what about
> the other VAX-11s or the 8600? I am purely a simulator and have never used
> the real thing and I am not sure what years the models in question were
> released. Sorry if my questions seem ignorant.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 8:08 AM Supratim Sanyal<supratim at riseup.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> John Dundas' distribution of VAX/VMS version 3.0 (April 1982) can now
> >> be downloaded from my Dropbox.
> >>
> >> The SYSTEM password is MANAGER.
> >>
> >> Note: Dropbox does not force you to create an account, if you look
> >> carefully you will see a "Continue to view" link at the bottom of
> >> that pop-up.
> >>
> >> Here's what it boots into:
> >>
> >>
> >> VAX/VMS Version V3.0 26-APR-1982 16:21
> >>
> >>
> >> PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 21-MAR-2020
> 11:58
> >> %JBC-I-NEWQUEUE, new queue file created %OPCOM, 21-MAR-2020
> >> 11:58:34.51, logfile initialized by operator OPA0
> >> logfile is SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG
> >> Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
> >> SYSTEM job terminated at 21-MAR-2020 11:58:39.91
> >>
> >> Username: SYSTEM
> >> Password:
> >> Welcome to VAX/VMS version V3.0 $ $
> >>
> >> Grab it fromhttps://bit.ly/vaxvms30
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Supratim
> >>
> >> --
> >> Supratim Sanyal, W1XMT
> >> 39.19151 N, 77.23432 W
> >> QCOCAL::SANYAL via HECnet
> >>
> >>
> >
> > On 12/8/21 7:00 PM, Tony Nicholson wrote:
> >> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 10:25 AM Mark J. Blair <nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm trying to find the oldest VAX/VMS version which:
> >>
> >> * Supports DECnet Phase IV over ethernet
> >> * Supports the VAX-11/730
> >> * I can get my hands on images of the OS installation and anything
> >> (licenses?) needed for DECnet Phase IV
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> I have not found any scans of the DECnet-VAX Software Installation
> >> Guide or the DECnet-VAX System Manager's Guide yet, and I don't
> >> know what needs to be done to install and/or configure DECnet in
> >> such an old VMS version. I see that stuff related to DECnet is
> >> present after installation, such as STARTNET.COM
> >> <http://STARTNET.COM> and NCP.EXE, but DECnet-VAX is referred to
> >> as an optional component which must be licensed separately. I
> >> gather from discussions elsewhere that there may be at least one
> >> critical file missing that serves as the "license" for DECnet-VAX?
> >>
> >>
> >> The VAX/VMS DECnet license "key" for old versions (V4.7 and prior)
> >> came in the form of a saveset (on a TK50 or magtap) that you
> >> installed. It did a binary patch on the NETACP.EXE image to enable
> >> things. There are separate versions for routing and end-node
> >> configurations.
> >>
> >> The thing that bothers me running old versions of VAX/VMS is the lack
> >> of Y2K updates. You will probably need to boot with a date last
> >> century (subtract 28 years to get matching calendar days) to avoid
> >> some gotchas. For VAX/VMS V3.0 there may have been some mandatory
> >> upgrade patches too.
> >>
> >> I have the VAX/VMS V4.7 mandatory patches and DECnet "key" for a
> >> routing node should you need them.
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
> > --
>
> --
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> || on a psychedelic trip
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