[HECnet] Thousands of DECnet errors on Tops-20

Paul Koning paulkoning at comcast.net
Mon Jan 11 13:41:07 PST 2021



> On Jan 11, 2021, at 4:22 PM, Thomas DeBellis <tommytimesharing at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> OK, I guess that's probably a level 2 router broadcast coming over the bridge.  There is no way Tops-10 or Tops-20 could currently be generating that because there is no code to do so; they're level 1, only

Yes, unfortunately originally both multicasts used the same address.  That was changed in Phase IV Plus, but that still sends to the old address for backwards compatibility and it isn't universally implemented.

> I started looking at the error; it starts out in DNADLL when it is detected on a frame that has come back from NISRV (the Ethernet Interface driver).  The error is then handed off to NTMAN where the actual logging is done.  So, there are two quick hacks to stop all the errors:
> 
> 	• I could stub out the length error entry (XWD UNLER%,^D5) in the NIEVTB: table in DNADLL.MAC.
> 	• I could put in a filter ($NOFIL) for event class 5 in the NMXFIL: table in NTMAN.MAC.
> That will stop the deluge for the moment.  Meanwhile, I have to understand what's actually being detected; even the full SPEAR entry is short on details (like how long the frame was).

The thing to look for is the buffer size (frame size) setting of the stations on the Ethernet.  It should match; if not someone may send a frame small enough by its settings but too large for someone else who has a smaller value.  Routing messages tend to cause that problem because they are variable length; the Phase IV rules have the routers send them (the periodic ones) as large as the line buffer size permits.

Note that DECnet by convention doesn't use the full max Ethernet frame size in DECnet, because DECnet has no fragmentation so the normal settings are chosen to make for consistent NSP packet sizes throughout the network.   The router sending the problematic messages is 2.1023 (not 63.whatever, Rob, remember that addresses are little endian) which has its Ethernet buffer size set to 591.  That matches the VMS conventional default of 576 when accounting for the "long header" used on Ethernet vs. the "short header" on point to point (DDCMP etc.) links).  But VENTI2 has its block size set to 576.  If you change it to 591 it should start working.

Perhaps I should change PyDECnet to have a way to send shorter than max routing messages.

	paul




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