[HECnet] DECnet/Python

[Johnny Billquist]

First of all, check what service groups you have enabled on the '20, 
since that normally will limit what is shown.

Service groups is a LAT specific thingy, so you might need to go and dig 
deep into LAT specific things here...

Second, I've had plenty of issues using llogin from Linux to RSX hosts 
as well. There are some things that the Linux implementation definitely 
do wrong. I tried to look at it once, but decided that the code was so 
ugly that I didn't want to figure it out, and should rewrite it instead. 
But I have too many other projects to ever have gotten around to it.

   Johnny

On 2021-10-28 02:08, Thomas DeBellis wrote:
> I had 'a bit' of DECnet 'partly' running on an Ubuntu machine some time 
> ago...  Well, not exactly: I only put LAT up because I wanted to test 
> something and LAT isn't actually DECnet.  The Ubuntu host knows about 
> everybody:
> 
>     slogin at neptune:~$ sudo latcp -d -l -v
> 
>     Service Name:    NEPTUNE
>     Service Status:  Available
>     Service Ident:   Linux 5.4.0-42-generic
> 
>     Node Name        Status      Rating   Identification
>     NEPTUNE          Reachable       10   Linux 5.4.0-42-generic
>     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>     Service Name:    TOMMYT
>     Service Status:  Available
>     Service Ident:   TOMMYT, PANDA TOPS-20 Monitor 7.1(21740)-5
> 
>     Node Name        Status      Rating   Identification
>     TOMMYT           Reachable        1   TOMMYT, PANDA TOPS-20 Monitor
>     7.1(21740)-5
>     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>     Service Name:    VENTI2
>     Service Status:  Available
>     Service Ident:   VENTI2, PANDA TOPS-20 Monitor 7.1(21742)-5
> 
>     Node Name        Status      Rating   Identification
>     VENTI2           Reachable        1   VENTI2, PANDA TOPS-20 Monitor
>     7.1(21742)-5
>     ----------------------------------
> 
> The 20's only seem to know about the Ubuntu host:
> 
>     LCP>shoW serVER /alL
>     LCP>
> 
>     19:43:26 [LCP]        -- Summary of All Servers --
> 
>     Server Name(Number): NEPTUNE(0) Address: 6C-4B-90-3A-42-73
>     LCP>
> 
>     LCP>shoW servER NEPTUNE
>     LCP>
>     19:41:10 [LCP]        -- Information About Server NEPTUNE --
> 
>     Server Number: 0
>     Server Location: LATD for Linux
>     Server Type: VAX/VMS
>     Ethernet Address: 6C-4B-90-3A-42-73
>     Server Status: Disconnected
>     Max Slots: 254
>     Data Link Size: 1500
>     Circuit Timer(ms): 80
>     Keep-alive Timer(s): 20
> 
>     LCP>shoW couNTERS /serVER:NEPTUNE
>     LCP>
>     19:40:36 [LCP]        -- Counters for Server NEPTUNE --
> 
>     Messages received: 2
>     Messages transmitted: 1
>     Messages retransmitted: 0
>     Sequence errors received: 0
>     Illegal messages received: 0
>     Illegal slots received: 0
>     Resource failures: 0
>     LCP>
> 
> At some point, I'm fairly certain I remember them being able to 'see' 
> each other.  I had a Pathworks CD-ROM for Windows 2000, but I can't find 
> that and the Windows 2000 laptop I was using has caught a very bad cold 
> (I.E., it won't boot)
> 
> llogin operation has been erratic.  At one point it worked mostly to the 
> 20's, but was not stable.  Now it fails in one of two ways:  1) To a 20, 
> it fails silently with no error message at all.  2) To an Ubuntu host, 
> it succeeds in connecting, and then starts spewing, viz
> 
>     slogin at neptune:~$ llogin neptune
>     Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS
>     neptune login: Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS
>     neptune login:
> 
>     neptune login:
>     sllllooooggggiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
> 
> I've never complained about it because I wanted to investigate further 
> and maybe either fix what I was doing wrong (undoubtedly the real 
> problem) or at least fix it to give better error diagnostics.
> 
> I haven't looked at the 20's because I've been occupied fixing bugs of 
> more direct concern to me.
> 
> If the 20 had a LAT client, I might look further, but I don't what the 
> scale of that work would be.  Right now, I'm trying to stay away from 
> big projects and just finish the ones that I have in flight.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> On 10/26/21 3:11 PM, John Forecast wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 26, 2021, at 7:57 AM, fsword007 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>> I successfully installed DECnet/Python on Ubuntu 21.10 system and was 
>>> successfully connected to HECnet.
>>> I have a few questions about DECnet/Python.  I choose that because it 
>>> support virtual circuits like Multinet over TCP,  etc..
>>> I can’t find any apps (programs) to support DECnet/Python like login, 
>>> set host, dir, etc.  Only DECnet for Linux has programs.
>>> Does DECnet for Raspberry Pi work with Ubuntu 21.10 (Linux 5.13 for 
>>> x86)?
>>
>> I’ve never tried Ubuntu but I have built DECnet for Raspberry Pi on an 
>> older version of Debian x86 without any problems. My suggestion would 
>> be to try it. Due to family medical issues I will be unable to check 
>> it out until December at the earliest.
>>
>>   John.
>>> Tim
>>

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