[HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits?

[Cory Smelosky]

On 26 Dec 2012, at 10:25, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:



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On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:42, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:

On 2012-12-24 03:37, Cory Smelosky wrote:

On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:33, "Steve Davidson" 
<jeep at scshome.net> wrote:



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Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 21:25
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Cc: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits?


On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:23, Johnny Billquist 
<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:

On 2012-12-24 03:05, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:

I might have the wrong tape.

Is there some specific reason for V4.6?

Get a news VMS version -- I can make V6.something or 
V7.something 
available for you -- and then, restore the .B save set to
your boot
device.   Then, you boot from the system disk to continue
the install.
Back then, VMS was dis- tributed on tape.   I've no 
idea how you 
access that from SimH.   During the boot, VMS will prompt
you to enter
where the distribution media is mounted and then, it will
just do the
rest -- just answer to the questions as they arise.

If I can find the time, I'll get to my storage unit and
pull the V4
(orange
wall) tomes with the installation notes for 11/780 
just in case.

As I remember the procedure, it's kindof tricky to see how
you'd do it in simh.
On a real 11/780, you'd boot the standalone backup first.
Not sure, but I think that would have been a bunch of 
RX01 floppies.
One the standalone backup is running, you can restore the
distribution tape .B saveset to the destination disk, and after 
that, things starts getting easier.

However, as simh don't have the FE, nor RX01, how do you
get the standalone backup running?
I wonder if you could use the standalone backup from a
newer VMS to install a really old version. Recent CD 
distributions 
boot the standalone backup, and I suspect you would able to boot 
simh into that.

I'm booting VMS 7.3 and running backup from there to image it to 
another disk. Does it NEED to be standalone backup?


Not sure what Cory's real problem is though, as he claims
he now restores the .B saveset and still don't get a bootable 
system. Did the backup restore the saveset without complaints?
What is the name of the saveset you are restoring, Cory?
Have you atleast read through the installation manual for a
recent VMS? I think the basic procedure is unchanged.

It copies the backup set without issue.   Am I perhaps 
attaching it 
to the wrong tape device? (tq)


	Johnny




It can be standalone or not.   Try:

$backup/image/verify <version-saveset>.b/save <device>:

THAT worked.

What line did you use before? And why didn't you read the manuals?

backup vms052.b/save_set dual: As per the VMS 5.0 
documentation, with 50 changed to 52.

However, doing backup/image/verify vms052.b/save dua1: worked.

Quick Note:

You have to use the "/image" qualifier.   Saveset "B" is a disk image!
"/verify" is for piece of mind   

Thanks, others said that awhile ago too, and my email client decided to send old messages   again   

And the set that 4.6 needed was REQUIRED., not a .B


-Steve


I will go back to trying VMS 4.6 in a bit.


Anyway. Good that you got somewhere.

	Johnny




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