[HECnet] Tops-20 ANONYMOUS FAL Preliminary Testing Results/DAP Query

[Thomas DeBellis]

 1. The client that does the ls is gnuemacs ange-ftp mode; which was
    quite shocking.
 2. Trivial Virtual File System (TVFS) is the RFC that specifies a
    common syntax, essentially codifying Unix syntax.  That's
    unfortunate because when you blow away most of the punctuation, you
    limit your search abilities.

"fun"?  Dear me...  Actually, what really drove me crazy was TENEX paged 
file structures; I was months getting that right.

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> On 12/20/19 7:27 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
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>> On 2019-12-21 01:07, Thomas DeBellis wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Unix' ls does have its unique ideas...  I was forced to 
>> implement some of them as certain brain-damaged FTP clients think 
>> that when are you speaking to an FTP server which claims TVS 
>> compliance (I.E., Tops-20 Extended Mode FTP), that you must be Unix 
>> and be able to shell out.  They literally issue the ls directly over 
>> the control channel instead of the RFC959 compliant STAT or LIST 
>> verbs!  No where is this documented in any RFC; you've got to snoop 
>> the line.  Grrr...
>
> I've never seen an ftp client that actually gives an "ls" command. 
> That would be interesting. Could you point me to one?
>
> Otherwise, the more annoying thing in my opinion is that some tools 
> and web browsers tries to parse the output from LIST, and really 
> expects it to be in a totally Unix-like format.
> There is some extension to the ftp protocol that is about a common 
> file system representation (can't remember the exact terminology right 
> now).
> That was "fun" to implement in RSX...
>
>> I will follow up with you off list concerning tests with RSTS, 
>> perhaps over the weekend when I'm finished figuring out what to do.
>
> You can ping me more abour RSX...
>
>   Johnny
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