[HECnet] Multinet Mail

[Johnny Billquist]

Let me rephrase my question.

When you send to a gmail address, what does the "from" address look 
like, if you sent it from a machine that had to pass through another 
DECnet mail relay before being delivered to gmail.

Last I tried, gmail do not accept a mail where the from-address looks 
like node::name at foo.bar, not even if the node::name is within quotes.

Anyway, for the second part of your explanation - that sounds like it 
would then not accept to arbitrary nodes on hecnet, but only your 
specific machine?

MIM works as a general SMTP-MAIL11 gateway. Anyone on the outside can 
send mail to node::name at mim.update.uu.se, and the mail will be 
forwarded. And anyone on HECnet can send mail to mim::user at domain, and 
it will get forwarded. Works for anyone on HECnet. However, as I said, 
it does not work towards gmail, because of what gmail does.

   Johnny

On 2019-06-06 21:20, Kurt Hamm wrote:
> I misspoke when I said gmail.  It ultimately gets to a gmail account, 
> but not directly.
> 
> I configured my postfix mail on my external server to trust the VAX IP 
> Address, so it doesn't ask for authentication.
> Then configured Multinet as described here:
> 
> $MULTINET CONFIGURE/MAIL
> MAIL-CONFIG>SET FORWARDER name-of-forwarder
> MAIL-CONFIG>SET FORWARD-REMOTE-MAIL TRUE
> MAIL-CONFIG>EXIT
> $@MULTINET:START_SMTP
> 
> name-of-forwarder=external mail server IP address.
> That takes care of outbound mail.
> 
> For inbound mail, I created a mail routing rule to route all email from 
> a specific domain to the VAX SMTP port.  The VAX looks for a valid user 
> and delivers the mail.  It discards anything else.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 3:14 PM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se 
> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
> 
>     Hum. You get it working with gmail??? That is surprising. I noticed
>     several years ago that gmail do not accept mails with a from address in
>     the form "foo::bar"@mim.update.uu.se <http://mim.update.uu.se>, even
>     though it actually should
>     accept it.
> 
>     How does multinet rewrite the from address then?
> 
>         Johnny
> 
>     On 2019-06-06 21:04, Kurt Hamm wrote:
>      > I got it working.  I setup Multinet to route all outbound
>     external mail
>      > to one of my external mail domains.  Then I setup mail routing
>     for any
>      > email to that domain to be forwarded to the Vax for delivery.
>      >
>      > It works great.  I can email from the VAX to a GMAIL account and
>     then
>      > reply back.
>      >
>      > Kurt
>      >
>      > On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:53 PM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
>     <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>      > <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >     On 2019-06-06 15:04, Kurt Hamm wrote:
>      >      > I wasn't sure where to post this question, so I thought I
>     would
>      >     start here.
>      >      >
>      >      > I have two simh vax3900 machines.  Larry and Moe.  Larry
>     is the
>      >     HECNet
>      >      > router for Moe.
>      >      >
>      >      > When I send email from Larry (via SMTP), the _return _email
>      >     address is
>      >      > correct (SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM
>     <mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM>
>      >     <mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM
>     <mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM>>
>     <mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM <mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM>
>      >     <mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM
>     <mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM>>>.
>      >      >
>      >      > When I send email from Moe (to
>     LARRY::SMTP%"user at domain.com <mailto:user at domain.com>
>      >     <mailto:user at domain.com <mailto:user at domain.com>>
>      >      > <mailto:user at domain.com <mailto:user at domain.com>
>     <mailto:user at domain.com <mailto:user at domain.com>>>"), the return
>      >     email address is:
>      >      > SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM
>     <mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM>
>      >     <mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM
>     <mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM>>
>      >     <mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM
>     <mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM>
>      >     <mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM
>     <mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM>>>.
>      >      >
>      >      > Why is Moe using the SCSSYSTEMID instead of the system name?
>      >      >
>      >      > *I am missing something.*
>      >
>      >     I'm not sure how you should do a setup of mail relaying in VMS.
>      >
>      >     However, you can always send from Moe to MIM::user at domain.com
>     <mailto:MIM%3A%3Auser at domain.com>
>      >     <mailto:MIM%3A%3Auser at domain.com
>     <mailto:MIM%253A%253Auser at domain.com>>. Those
>      >     mails should then get correct addresses.
>      >
>      >         Johnny
>      >
>      >     --
>      >     Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
>      >                                         ||  on a psychedelic trip
>      >     email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>     <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>             ||
>      >     Reading murder books
>      >     pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" -
>     B. Idol
>      >
> 
>     -- 
>     Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
>                                         ||  on a psychedelic trip
>     email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>             || 
>     Reading murder books
>     pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
> 

-- 
Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
                                   ||  on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol