[HECnet] Getting openvms going

[Gregg Levine]

Hello!
Take the publishing trades. My father ran several typesetting houses,
he even did the day to day management for his father my grandfather
and they owned a hotmetal shop. That means Linotype. And eventually
moved towards photo and with them went computers. The programs ran on
both a Nova 2 and then a Nova 3, finally an Eclipse. Eventually the
trade went desktop which was on a Mac using Quark. Now look where we
are.


I have a book on programming in the MS-DOS (!!) world, it was also
done desktop. But the program was the same from the Novas and the
Eclipse, rewritten for the PC. Sadly it never took off.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 8:08 PM Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/13/19 7:13 PM, Dave Wade wrote:
> > You move in technical circles and perhaps in the US things are different....
> > But at risk of falling out with you again can I say that in the UK almost every local government user desktop is windows.
> > I don't think I have ever encountered a Linux desktop in the UK in local government. The odd Apple machine where Desktop publishing was needed, but no Linux.
> > Almost every desktop PC in the UK health Service (the NHS) runs MS Windows. I must admit I have only worked in three schools (and been a governor in one) but again all Windows desktops.
> > There is some Linux on things like Raspberry PIs for Python but not for admin/teaching
>
>   Well I did mention "selection bias". ;)  Government is about as far
> from "high tech" as one can get.  I work in the tech industry as a
> contract electronic designer.  Everything in this business is Linux,
> with a few poor sods stuck with Windows because their *nontechnical*
> manager told them what tools to use to do their jobs, and they didn't
> quit on the spot as they should have.
>
>   Solaris and HP-UX used to have a big footprint in this business, but
> it's almost all gone at this point.
>
> > There is a lot more Linux in the back office. So in Stockport Council we had around 250 windows server images (and again most councils are similar) but ran a Linux farm for running MOODLE and a couple of Linux servers for Oracle for some of the social care apps.  I see even Munich has returned to Windows (although that’s old)
> >
> > https://www.techrepublic.com/article/end-of-an-open-source-era-linux-pioneer-munich-confirms-switch-to-windows-10/
> >
> > I find this state of affairs very sad. Monocultures like this lead to vulnerable systems. A diversity would be much better. It would be really nice to have some desktop Solaris but SUN seem to have just about killed that.
>
>   I agree 100%.  Oracle killed it the rest of the way, but Sun really
> just paid lip service to desktop environments for several years before
> that.  Sigh.
>
> > Looking at the Google Analytics for Trafford & Hulme Campaign for Real Ale site (which is Joomla on Linux on Plesk) for October I roughly get
> > (thcamra.org.uk)
> >
> > 43% Windows,
> > 23% Android
> > 20% IOS
> > 6% Macintosh
> > 6% Didn't tell us
> > 2%  Linux
> >
> > Plus one session from some poor soul with Windows Phone. So whilst Windows is the biggest, if you combine the Android and IOS to get total mobile/tablet use it’s a little higher
> > I know that I am of course only surveying beer drinkers which may be warped in other ways and it’s a small sample, but from what I recall the figures for the CAMRA pubs database site
> > ( www.whatpub.com) are in similar proportions, and they gets a lot more hits.
>
>   Well as Android is Linux under the hood, and iOS and MacOS are UNIX
> under the hood, that makes those numbers look a bit different.
>
>   But either way, it boils down to people who understand technology the
> best typically don't run Windows.  If I'm at the grocery store shopping
> for vitamins, and I see a doctor avoiding a certain brand of vitamins, I
> follow his lead.  But the world of management and other nontechnical
> types isn't quite so logical.
>
>   We should probably talk about DECnet before we get smacked by Johnny
> for liking each other enough to be sociable. ;)   */me pokes Johnny*
>
>              -Dave
>
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> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA