[HECnet] Mailing list...

Fri Jul 31 11:01:17 PDT 2020

Well I do have my own domain and I have publish my domain email and use forwarding to send it to my actual ISP. So I can change the forwarding to my Hotmail account. The trouble with this forwarding system is that it "leaks" my ISP address and some people to end up using that.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> On Behalf
> Of Dave Wade
> Sent: 31 July 2020 09:06
> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
> Subject: RE: [HECnet] Mailing list...
> 
> Rob (and the others)
> 
> Why do you use your ISPs "free" E-Mail accounts when there are good "free" or
> "cheap" providers.
> 
> https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/02/ofcom-warns-major-uk-
> broadband-isps-over-charging-for-email.html
> 
> and if you don't like a @hotmail.com address why not add an @outlook.com,
> same servers, better reputation...
> ... as for "spam detection" systems well they want the headline figure , so the
> "spam detection rate" to be as high as possible.
> Most customers are happy with this and blame the sender if things get blocked
> when in reality it’s the suppliers over aggressive filters...
> 
> Dave
> 
> p.s. when talking to suppliers of such systems, I say what happens to important
> stuff wrongly classed as spam?
> Usually they used to tell me it was retained in a folder and could be checked by
> some minion..
> I say so, the Finance Director, who will be paying for this is a bit of a ladies
> man, gets lewd e-mails from his lady friends who tend to use a different
> Hotmail account each time?
> Will those get filtered and will the minions see those as it could be
> embarrassing.......
> 
> Pps. I now have a fixed IP address but it looks like no VAX licences soon.... Alpha
> has arrived but I am not leaving it on full time even if it runs ... pic here
> 
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ag4BJfE5B3onmM4SMrRd2aiAnoG2dw?e=UGwLNh
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> On
> Behalf
> > Of Rob Jarratt
> > Sent: 31 July 2020 07:48
> > To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
> > Subject: RE: [HECnet] Mailing list...
> >
> > I use a very common ISP (Virgin Media) in the UK. I know that
> > sometimes emails to me get bounced because of DKIM or whatever (I know
> > very little about these things). I know that people in the know think
> > that these spam protection systems are no good, I don't know why
> > because as I said I know little about all this, although it seems to
> > me that the *intent* behind those systems is good. However, it seems
> > to me that, for whatever reason, they are used by a lot of the major
> > ISPs, so might you end up excluding a lot of people if you unsubscribe them
> for using an ISP that uses these measures?
> >
> > I really wouldn't want to change my ISP just for one mailing list,
> > because I also get TV and phone all through the same provider, so it
> > would be quite disruptive. But I think it would be good if you were
> > able to tell people that you choose to unsubscribe. I have a Hotmail
> > account I could use instead if I really had to.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Johnny Billquist
> > > Sent: 30 July 2020 22:40
> > > To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
> > > Subject: [HECnet] Mailing list...
> > >
> > > Hi, all.
> > >
> > > I have an issue with some mail servers/providers that some people use.
> > > I'm open to some suggestions, but also want to point out something
> > > to people who are subscribed.
> > >
> > > Sometimes I start getting mails bouncing for some subscribers. I do
> > > try to check why, and occasionally there have been something I could
> > > do about it, but many times it's simply what I would call a broken
> > > mail server for which there isn't much I can do. So occasionally I
> > > unsubscribe people for which I'm just getting bounces all the time.
> > >
> > > One such example is one server who claims that 130.238.19.25 don't
> > > have reverse DNS. Which is clearly incorrect. It have had proper DNS
> > > setup for at least 20 years. I have no idea how that mail server is
> > > set up, but I can't do much about it.
> > >
> > > Other times mails gets denied because of some blocking service who
> > > thinks the hecnet mails are just spam, or the host (Update) is
> > > untrustworthy, or have a bad reputation or what not. Usually not
> > > much I can do about those either. If people (or companies) decide to
> > > make use of such services, and such services give that kind of
> > > information, it essentially just means that you'll not be getting
> > > the hecnet mails any
> > more.
> > >
> > > There is only so much I'm willing to do to try and sort such things out.
> > > I do consider such services and solutions to be fundamentally broken
> > > to start with, but I will of course not say that people can't use
> > > them if they want to. But chances are that you'll get dropped from
> > > the HECnet mailing list sooner or later, unless you are using some
> > > service/technology that actually do work (not sure if any such exists).
> > >
> > > An example I got today (actual mailbox names redacted):
> > >
> > > > <XXXXXX at xs4all.nl> (expanded from <hecnet-list>): host
> > > >     mx4.xs4all.nl[194.109.24.139] said: 550 5.7.1 Spam message rejected
> by
> > > >     06ULCRRd021949 on mxdrop301.xs4all.net, reason=CH (in reply to
> > > > end of
> > > DATA
> > > >     command)
> > >
> > > reason=CH ?
> > > What does that mean. The mail is rejected because it came from
> > Switzerland?
> > > (Yes, I do live in Switzerland, and yes, it was a mail I sent to the
> > > list, but
> > really?
> > > Is all mail from Switzerland suspect now?)
> > >
> > > > <XXXXXX at me.com> (expanded from <hecnet-list>): host
> > > >     mx01.mail.icloud.com[17.57.152.9] said: 554 5.7.1 [CS01]
> > > > Message
> > > rejected
> > > >     due to local policy. Please visit
> > > > https://support.apple.com/en-
> > us/HT204137
> > > >     (in reply to end of DATA command)
> > > >
> > > > <XXXXXX at me.com> (expanded from <hecnet-list>): host
> > > >     mx01.mail.icloud.com[17.57.152.9] said: 554 5.7.1 [CS01]
> > > > Message
> > > rejected
> > > >     due to local policy. Please visit
> > > > https://support.apple.com/en-
> > us/HT204137
> > > >     (in reply to end of DATA command)
> > >
> > >
> > > Rejected due to local policy?
> > > Following the link don't really give an answer, but just various
> > > recommendation.
> > >
> > > Most of those recommendations are already done (and have been the
> > > whole
> > > time) by the HECnet list. SPF and DKIM we don't use. I had that
> > > setup for a while on a mail server of my own, and came to realize
> > > that it hurt more than it helped, so I removed it again. I doubt
> > > this will be setup on Update any time soon, but either way, it's not
> > > there now, and it's not even clear if that is the reason for the
> > > rejects, or some other thing. There is also no way to even get in
> > > touch with Apple in this case, to fix this. So there is a fair
> > > chance I'll have to unsubscribe a few
> > more addresses in the near future...
> > >
> > > I am not really interested in moving the mailing list to some other
> > > host. Any suggestions from anyone on this topic?
> > >
> > >    Johnny
> > >
> > > --
> > > Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
> > >                                    ||  on a psychedelic trip
> > > email: bqt at softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
> > > pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol