[HECnet] [PiDP-11] Re: Announcing RPM, a software packet manager for RSX-11M-PLUS --> Tcp/Ip?

[Lee Gleason]

   AH, clearly not. Well, I guess this gives away the fact that I don't 
always read the directions. Thanks again for this great system.

On 5/31/2020 10:58 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On 2020-05-31 17:55, Lee Gleason wrote:
>>
>>    Great work  - sure makes things easier.
>>
>>    I don't see the TCP/IP choice on RPM LIST  - have you made it 
>> "live" yet?
>
> Did you do a fetch to get an updated package list?
>
>   Johnny
>
>>
>> -- 
>> Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
>> Control-G Consultants
>> lee.gleason at comcast.net
>>
>>
>> On 5/31/2020 10:41 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> Yes, this do simplify things even more.
>>>
>>> All you need to do is a one time install of whatever package you 
>>> want. Then maintenance of an RSX system is essentially just a 
>>> question of "RPM ALL". However, a possible additional complication 
>>> is that if TCP/IP have been updated, you will want to do a reboot. 
>>> So you need to somehow detect if that happened. I have some ideas on 
>>> how you could check for that after updating, so that it can all be a 
>>> bit more automated, but for a start, the simple "RPM ALL" is 
>>> essentially doing almost all the work for you.
>>>
>>>   Johnny
>>>
>>> On 2020-05-31 17:05, Mark Matlock wrote:
>>>> Johnny,
>>>>     This is a very interesting development!! As someone who is 
>>>> updating about 6 RSX systems with your TCP/IP system on a roughly 
>>>> weekly basis this is of keen interest to me. I like the idea of 
>>>> keeping the IPCONFIG separate from RPM since the network 
>>>> configuration can be so customized especially with the HECnet over 
>>>> IP capabilities.
>>>>
>>>>     This is really a revolutionary way to handle RSX software 
>>>> installation and maintenance!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>> On May 31, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok. Thanks for inspiring me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I now also have TCP/IP as a package under RPM.
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple of comments about it are in place:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) It's *big* You'll need atleast about 25.000 free blocks to 
>>>>> install or update. So nothing for anyone with an RL02 as the 
>>>>> system disk.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) It will do the install/update, but it will not start TCP/IP. 
>>>>> You will still need the separate scripts for TCP/IP in 
>>>>> LB:[1,2]STARTUP.CMD in order to start the whole thing. RPM can 
>>>>> only be used for the updating of the system.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Because of some issues, RPM will also not be able to 
>>>>> automatically handle any updates to your IP configuration as such. 
>>>>> So after doing an update of TCP/IP, you might want to do that by 
>>>>> hand, which is done by running "LB:[IP]IPCONFIG UPD". If you are 
>>>>> downloading the distribution itself, things runs just like before.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Depending on your internet connection, updating this package 
>>>>> might take a little while. I have also observed some issues with 
>>>>> some sneaky FTP proxy interfering with FTP transfers from MIM. If 
>>>>> you are getting errors and timeouts doing transfers over FTP, try 
>>>>> changing the source to be mim.update.uu.se:10021 instead.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Johnny
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2020-05-31 10:04, R. Voorhorst wrote:
>>>>>> Nice functionality to arrive so easily at a well-kept updated 
>>>>>> environment!
>>>>>> Big question now obviously appearing:  will TCP/IP follow suit or 
>>>>>> is that not so suitable concerning the host machine?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Reindert
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE 
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 31 May, 2020 02:24
>>>>>> To: Mark Matlock <mark at matlockfamily.com>; hecnet at update.uu.se
>>>>>> Cc: Info-PDP11 at dbit.com; SIMH <simh at trailing-edge.com>; [PiDP-11] 
>>>>>> <pidp-11 at googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PiDP-11] Re: [HECnet] Announcing RPM, a software 
>>>>>> packet manager for RSX-11M-PLUS
>>>>>> On 2020-05-30 22:04, Mark Matlock wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 30, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since I'm on a roll today, I figure I should announce the 
>>>>>>>> availability of a new tool for RSX, which I think most 
>>>>>>>> hobbyists will find rather useful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RPM is a packet manager for RSX (it has nothing to do with the 
>>>>>>>> Red Hat Packet Manager, except the name).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Johnny,
>>>>>>>       I love not only the new RPM software repository tool but 
>>>>>>> also all the updated software tools. A few of the software 
>>>>>>> packages that RPM listed were even new to me!
>>>>>> You're welcome. And have have *lots* of more software. It will 
>>>>>> just take a lot of time to work through it all and create 
>>>>>> packages for it.
>>>>>>>       Also, I was behind in getting the latest versions of your 
>>>>>>> NEMA, MKE and several others. This will make it very easy to 
>>>>>>> stay current.
>>>>>> Similar problem to my own... What version did I now have on that 
>>>>>> machine? Did I do any updates since I last installed there? What 
>>>>>> software do I actually have? And where is it...?
>>>>>>>      Thanks for this and also thanks for the latest version of 
>>>>>>> your TCP/IP system.
>>>>>> Happy to provide it. And it looks like it has already seen some 
>>>>>> action, based on the ftp logs at MIM... :-)
>>>>>>     Johnny
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
>>>>>                                   ||  on a psychedelic trip
>>>>> email: bqt at softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
>>>>> pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


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