[HECnet] [PiDP-11] Re: Announcing RPM, a software packet manager for RSX-11M-PLUS --> Tcp/Ip?

[Johnny Billquist]

Hi.

On 2020-05-31 17:55, Lee Gleason wrote:
> 
>    Great work  - sure makes things easier.
> 
>    I don't see the TCP/IP choice on RPM LIST  - have you made it "live" 
> yet?

Did you do a fetch to get an updated package list?

   Johnny

> 
> -- 
> Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
> Control-G Consultants
> lee.gleason at comcast.net
> 
> 
> On 5/31/2020 10:41 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> Yes, this do simplify things even more.
>>
>> All you need to do is a one time install of whatever package you want. 
>> Then maintenance of an RSX system is essentially just a question of 
>> "RPM ALL". However, a possible additional complication is that if 
>> TCP/IP have been updated, you will want to do a reboot. So you need to 
>> somehow detect if that happened. I have some ideas on how you could 
>> check for that after updating, so that it can all be a bit more 
>> automated, but for a start, the simple "RPM ALL" is essentially doing 
>> almost all the work for you.
>>
>>   Johnny
>>
>> On 2020-05-31 17:05, Mark Matlock wrote:
>>> Johnny,
>>>     This is a very interesting development!! As someone who is 
>>> updating about 6 RSX systems with your TCP/IP system on a roughly 
>>> weekly basis this is of keen interest to me. I like the idea of 
>>> keeping the IPCONFIG separate from RPM since the network 
>>> configuration can be so customized especially with the HECnet over IP 
>>> capabilities.
>>>
>>>     This is really a revolutionary way to handle RSX software 
>>> installation and maintenance!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>> On May 31, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok. Thanks for inspiring me.
>>>>
>>>> I now also have TCP/IP as a package under RPM.
>>>>
>>>> A couple of comments about it are in place:
>>>>
>>>> 1) It's *big* You'll need atleast about 25.000 free blocks to 
>>>> install or update. So nothing for anyone with an RL02 as the system 
>>>> disk.
>>>>
>>>> 2) It will do the install/update, but it will not start TCP/IP. You 
>>>> will still need the separate scripts for TCP/IP in 
>>>> LB:[1,2]STARTUP.CMD in order to start the whole thing. RPM can only 
>>>> be used for the updating of the system.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Because of some issues, RPM will also not be able to 
>>>> automatically handle any updates to your IP configuration as such. 
>>>> So after doing an update of TCP/IP, you might want to do that by 
>>>> hand, which is done by running "LB:[IP]IPCONFIG UPD". If you are 
>>>> downloading the distribution itself, things runs just like before.
>>>>
>>>> 4) Depending on your internet connection, updating this package 
>>>> might take a little while. I have also observed some issues with 
>>>> some sneaky FTP proxy interfering with FTP transfers from MIM. If 
>>>> you are getting errors and timeouts doing transfers over FTP, try 
>>>> changing the source to be mim.update.uu.se:10021 instead.
>>>>
>>>>   Johnny
>>>>
>>>> On 2020-05-31 10:04, R. Voorhorst wrote:
>>>>> Nice functionality to arrive so easily at a well-kept updated 
>>>>> environment!
>>>>> Big question now obviously appearing:  will TCP/IP follow suit or 
>>>>> is that not so suitable concerning the host machine?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Reindert
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] 
>>>>> On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 31 May, 2020 02:24
>>>>> To: Mark Matlock <mark at matlockfamily.com>; hecnet at update.uu.se
>>>>> Cc: Info-PDP11 at dbit.com; SIMH <simh at trailing-edge.com>; [PiDP-11] 
>>>>> <pidp-11 at googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PiDP-11] Re: [HECnet] Announcing RPM, a software 
>>>>> packet manager for RSX-11M-PLUS
>>>>> On 2020-05-30 22:04, Mark Matlock wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 30, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since I'm on a roll today, I figure I should announce the 
>>>>>>> availability of a new tool for RSX, which I think most hobbyists 
>>>>>>> will find rather useful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RPM is a packet manager for RSX (it has nothing to do with the 
>>>>>>> Red Hat Packet Manager, except the name).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Johnny,
>>>>>>       I love not only the new RPM software repository tool but 
>>>>>> also all the updated software tools. A few of the software 
>>>>>> packages that RPM listed were even new to me!
>>>>> You're welcome. And have have *lots* of more software. It will just 
>>>>> take a lot of time to work through it all and create packages for it.
>>>>>>       Also, I was behind in getting the latest versions of your 
>>>>>> NEMA, MKE and several others. This will make it very easy to stay 
>>>>>> current.
>>>>> Similar problem to my own... What version did I now have on that 
>>>>> machine? Did I do any updates since I last installed there? What 
>>>>> software do I actually have? And where is it...?
>>>>>>      Thanks for this and also thanks for the latest version of 
>>>>>> your TCP/IP system.
>>>>> Happy to provide it. And it looks like it has already seen some 
>>>>> action, based on the ftp logs at MIM... :-)
>>>>>     Johnny
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
>>>>                                   ||  on a psychedelic trip
>>>> email: bqt at softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
>>>> pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>>>
>>
> 
> 

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Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
                                   ||  on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol