[Pollinator] Is CCD really just starting in 2005/2006?Previouswork on imida

Wed Mar 21 08:47:58 PDT 2007

My only comment is that garage chemistry that is not always productive.
I think contacting those in the CCD working group to submit samples of
pollen and nectar to is a more secure line of reasoning. Jerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Black Cat Honey Waite [mailto:blackcathoney at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 11:44 AM
To: Hayes, Jerry; pollinator at coevolution.org
Subject: RE: [Pollinator] Is CCD really just starting in
2005/2006?Previouswork on imida

Bee's I know alot about. Tho I do have to say not all beekeepers use 
chemicals to prevent hive beetles, mites and the varied other things
that 
can infest a hive. The thing with imidacloprid and CCD is not really as
new 
as the media would lead you to believe. Many times it has been chauked
up to 
other things or just unknown, fall dwindle, mites and varied other
causes. 
This year I saw the bee's acting disorianted forthe 1st time and found a

farmer had treated a corn field within sight of my hives with
imidacloprid. 
Did not kill the hives or affect them to bad at all, tho I'm sure as
more 
and more is used it will. I wish I could have had the bees tested, but
don't 
know who or where to go to have that done. I am starting my own little
test 
tho.  An ovservation 4 frame hive feed the same syrup I have used for
years 
and the same bee-pro pollon paddies, BUT and tainting the feed with 1/8 
teaspoon to 5 gallons of feed to see what effect it has in that small a 
dose.

Thanks and TTFN,
Richard Waite.
Black Cat Honey & Products
  413-626-7136
  62 Parker Street
  Winchester NH 03470
  www.BlackCatHoney.com

>From: "Hayes, Jerry" <hayesg at doacs.state.fl.us>
>To: "Black Cat Honey Waite" 
><blackcathoney at hotmail.com>,<pollinator at coevolution.org>
>Subject: RE: [Pollinator] Is CCD really just starting in 
>2005/2006?Previouswork on imida
>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:51:09 -0400
>
>The short answer may be yes. Honey Bees have been negatively impacted
in
>the last decade or so by introduced parasites the tracheal mite and the
>varroa mite. These mites, varroa in particular from Asia, vectors
>viruses which impact immunity. Now beekeepers have to control these
>parasites with chemicals added to the hive environment. There is an
>introduced predator, the Small Hive Beetle, from South Africa which has
>a labeled chemical control. Honey Bees forage in a 2-2 1/2 mile radius
>of their colony and bring back a variety of environmental toxins and
>agricultural toxins with the nectar and pollen they feed on directly
and
>store in the colony. Beeswax is a chemical sponge. These chemicals are
>absorbed into the wax and have a 24/7/365 influence on the colony. What
>are they doing synergistically as they mix in the beeswax matrix? Honey
>bees are fed artificial diets that may not meet their nutritional
needs.
>Honey bees as the keystone, foundational pollinator specie of
>Agriculture are loaded on Semi's and truck all over the US. I do not
>really know what stress is to a Honey Bee but this may be it. Are Honey
>Bees the Canary in the Coal Mine? Should we be paying more attention to
>them and other pollinators as they may be trying to tell us more than
we
>are listening for?  Jerry Hayes
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pollinator-bounces+hayesg=doacs.state.fl.us at lists.sonic.net
>[mailto:pollinator-bounces+hayesg=doacs.state.fl.us at lists.sonic.net] On
>Behalf Of Black Cat Honey Waite
>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:12 AM
>To: pollinator at coevolution.org
>Subject: Re: [Pollinator] Is CCD really just starting in
>2005/2006?Previouswork on imida
>
>After reading this from Victoria and looking at the links and other
>googled
>info including stuff from Bayer itself I really wonder if this is not
>the
>main cause of the problem with CCD. Could many bee keepers be making it
>worse with the chemical treatments for mites being added to this? I
have
>not
>had any problem as of yet, knock on a wooden hive body.. I do
everything
>
>organic and natural and have really stayed on top of the little mite
>issues
>that have come up.
>
>Thanks and TTFN,
>Richard Waite.
>Black Cat Honey & Products
>   413-626-7136
>   62 Parker Street
>   Winchester NH 03470
>   www.BlackCatHoney.com
>
>
>
>
> >From: Victoria MacPhail <vmacphai at uoguelph.ca>
> >To: pollinator at coevolution.org
> >Subject: [Pollinator] Is CCD really just starting in 2005/2006?
> >Previouswork on	imidacloprid?
> >Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:58:05 -0400
> >
> >I have been following the latest theme with interest, and had been
> >wondering when imidacloprid would be raised.
> >
> >When I was an undergraduate student in 2002, I worked with Dr. Jim
> >Kemp and Dick Rogers in Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick
> >(Eastern Canada) investigating possible reasons (incl. diseases, food
> >sources, pesticides, management practices, among others) behind the
> >disappearance and overall decrease in honeybee populations in the
> >Maritimes.  What had initated their research in the previous year
> >(2001) was the concern that imidacloprid, trade name Admire, used in
> >furrow in potato fields, persisted in the soil and came up in the
> >clover flowers two years later, which then killed off the foraging
> >bees.  I believe a similar concern with imidacloprid had been raised
> >in France under the trade name Gaucho and used on sunflowers.
> >
> >My understanding is that beekeepers in the Maritimes noticed in the
> >late 1990s or early 2000s that bees were disappearing/dying and
> >colonies crashing unexpectedly, with some beekeepers having limited
> >losses and some having almost total losses.  They heard reports from
> >France of the similar symptoms, said that that was their problem too,
> >accused imidacloprid and the producer (Bayer), who then got Jim and
> >Dick involved in the investigation.
> >
> >I found an old newspaper article on-line saying essentially the same
> >thing: May 25, 2002 - National Post,
> >http://www.safe2use.com/ca-ipm/02-05-27.htm.  You could probably find
> >other sources too.
> >
> >The background information I had heard and learned about in 2002, and
> >in 2003 when I was only peripherally involved in the project, sounds
> >just like what is supposedly only just happening this year in the US.
> >Now, I am new to the field and may be way off base, but to me this
> >sounds like the same thing, so why are most of these reports saying
> >this is a new phenomenon, happening either only this year or maybe
> >last year too?  Are these two different problems/scenarios, or is the
> >media just having a field day with it this year?
> >
> >Anyway, just another thought to mull over.
> >
> >Victoria MacPhail
> >
> >--
> >MSc Candidate
> >Dept. of Environmental Biology
> >University of Guelph
> >Guelph, ON  N1G 2W1
> >vmacphai at uoguelph.ca
> >lab) 519-824-4120 ext. 56243
> >fax) 519-837-0442
> >
> >
> >
> >
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