[HECnet] HECnet mail gateway...
Mark Abene
phiber at phiber.com
Fri Apr 14 23:07:03 PDT 2017
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
> On 2017-04-14 08:37, Mark Abene wrote:
>
>> It does indeed work to my VAX/VMS system, sending to
>> "enkidu::phiber"@mim.update.uu.se <http://mim.update.uu.se> from gmail.
>>
>
> Good.
>
> Something odd with my TOPS-20 mail setup on GLGMSH, it assumes ALL mail
>> is Internet mail, and doesn't seem to know what to do with a DECnet
>> style mail address. That's a separate issue, not related to your mail
>> gateway.
>>
>
> Yeah. So you could not even send to just MIM::BQT from GLGMSH?
Nope. The mailer strips DECnet addresses to "HOST:" and fails trying to
deliver this over the Internet.
E.g: if I try to send mail to MIM::BQT, it tries to deliver to "MIM:" and
immediately fails. Haven't yet had time to track down what's going on.
>
>
> By the way, if I try to run MAIL on MIM at the moment, it gives me an
>> error:
>> $ mail
>> Sorry, no mail reader yet.
>>
>> It used to work just fine...
>>
>
> Yeah. It defaulted to send, since there is no mail reader. Which I decided
> was wrong. Try the command "SEND" instead, which does just the mail sending.
>
How about reading mail sent to MIM? I'm pretty sure I've read test e-mails
that I've sent to MIM, using MAIL on MIM.
-Mark
> (It can also take two arguments: 1) A short text, and 2) an address, at
> which point it will just immediately send that short text.)
>
> Johnny
>
>
>> Regards
>> -Mark
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 12:39 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
>>
>> On 2017-04-13 06:55, Mark Abene wrote:
>>
>> Hmm.. I don't seem to have received that first test message.
>> I just sent another to "glgmsh::phiber"@mim.update.uu.se
>> <http://mim.update.uu.se>
>> <http://mim.update.uu.se> (with quotes) in gmail, subject is
>> "test #2".
>>
>>
>> Well, I can see in the logs that the mail passed through MIM and was
>> delivered to GLGMSH. What happens after that I have no idea...
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Johnny Billquist
>> <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>> wrote:
>>
>> On 2017-04-12 22:37, Mark Abene wrote:
>>
>> YOU worked at GOOGLE? Say it isn't so, Johnny!
>>
>>
>> Stressing the past tense, yes. No more bqt at google.com
>> <mailto:bqt at google.com>
>> <mailto:bqt at google.com <mailto:bqt at google.com>> for me. :-)
>>
>>
>> I responded elsewhere, I'm having the reverse problem
>> trying to send
>> mail to a HECnet address using gmail, and gmail is
>> refusing the user
>> part with the colons. Quoting it made it go through, but
>> it never
>> arrived at the destination...
>>
>>
>> Not sure exactly what my problem was. But as it was stuck on
>> Mim I
>> realized that my error handling on the MAIL11 side was not
>> good, so
>> I redesigned and expanded on it, and somehow that solved the
>> problem
>> with your mail as well... (or so I think.)
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>>
>> -Mark
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Johnny Billquist
>> <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>>> wrote:
>>
>> On 2017-04-10 21:45, Cory Smelosky wrote:
>>
>> Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>
>> On 2017-04-10 21:27, Cory Smelosky wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny
>> Billquist
>> <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>>> wrote:
>>
>> However, like I said, Google is
>> refusing
>> mails with
>> a source address
>> that don't pass various rules they
>> have,
>> which is in
>> violation of RFC
>> 5321. And the silly think is that
>> the error
>> Google
>> gives refers to
>> RFC 5321 as a reason why they are
>> refusing.
>>
>> As the source address should be used
>> when
>> reporting
>> any problems
>> back, I cannot really fake it
>> either, without
>> potentially loosing
>> more information. I'm going to try
>> and ping
>> people
>> at Google, but I
>> do not have very high hopes of this
>> being
>> resolved.
>> So the answer
>> might just be that Google is broken,
>> and you
>> should
>> avoid it.
>>
>>
>> I'll poke some google friends and see if
>> anyone
>> is in
>> the mail team.
>>
>>
>> Don't. I know people on that team, and have
>> already
>> pinged them.
>>
>>
>> Alrighty!
>>
>>
>> As I am no longer in that madhouse I guess I can
>> admit now
>> that I've
>> worked for the last almost 8 years there... Not on
>> Gmail though.
>>
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>> --
>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
>> || on a
>> psychedelic trip
>> email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>> ||
>> Reading murder books
>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay
>> hip" -
>> B. Idol
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
>> || on a psychedelic trip
>> email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> ||
>> Reading murder books
>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" -
>> B. Idol
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
>> || on a psychedelic trip
>> email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> ||
>> Reading murder books
>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> || on a psychedelic trip
> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>
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